Hiya, Another root for grammar is the Irish gaelic word, "glam," meaning curse as in satire. It was used in a ceremony called the "glamdichenn," which took place when a king didnot properly pay a poet for the verse the poet had written for him. In a Middle Irish treates on versification called "Cormac's Glossary," the revenge against a stingy patron was done the following way: "First there was fasting on the land of the king, and a council of thirty laymen and thirty bishops and thirty poets as to making a satire, and it was a crime to prevent the satire after the reward for the poem was refused [by the king]. Then the poet himself and six others, on whom the six degrees of poets had been conferred, had to go at sunrise to a hill-top on the boundary of seven lands, and the face of the ollave [chief poet] there toward the land of the king whom he would satirize, and the backs of them all toward a hawthorn which should be on the top of the hill, and the wind from the north, and a slingstone and a thorn of the hawthorn in every man's hand, and each of them to sing a stave in a prescribed metre into the slingstone and the thorn, the ollave singing his stave before the others, and they afterwards singing their staves at once; and each was then to put his stone and his thorn at the butt of the hawthorn. And if it were they that were in the wrong, the earth of the hill would swallow them up. But if it were the king that was in the wrong, the earth would swallow up him and his wife and his son and his horse and his arms and his dress and his hounds." So at the root of all grammar one finds the ill-treated poet.... Cheers, Charlotte -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To leave the list, send a SIGNOFF CASLL command to [log in to unmask] or, if you experience difficulties, write to Russ Hunt at [log in to unmask] For the list archives and information about the organization, the annual conference, and publications, go to the Inkshed Web site at http://www.StThomasU.ca/inkshed/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-