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Hi, The egg alone is no problem, I just was wanting to know if you put some of your DNA with and egg from a woman to make cells in a petra dish and you let it grow would it at sometime have the ability of becoming a little person? That is how they got Dolly the sheep and the little kitten. I was not trying to tell people how to believe or put my God into it for I do understand many on the list have different beliefs and I respect that. I just saw on TV where they took DNA from a man whom had a back injury and wanted to be able to walk again so a lab not supported by the government did the experiment. When asked if they took the cells that had formed with the egg and the man's DNA where implanted into an uterus would it have the potential of becoming a baby? The answer was yes. If that is the same way they do thing to get the stem cells from us to help us then I just I have a hard time with it that is all. Janice ----- Original Message ----- From: Emily and Julian Brinac <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 1:51 PM Subject: Re: Debra/no sperm in SCNT > Janice, > I am so lost with stem research. Lets say if you are a woman 60 years > old, or a man for that reason. You are mentioning a woman's egg that has > a potential of life. When it comes to certain age, what does it mean? > Can you grow your own stem cells at any age? As I said I have no clear > idea, maybe there are people out there that know more. > Thank you for your comments, Janice. > Emily > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janice Morgan" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 4:24 PM > Subject: Re: Debra/no sperm in SCNT > > > > Hi Emily, > > I was very careful in not saying anything about faith on this. What I > > believe I keep to myself when it comes to God. > > I just do not understand about the stem cell thing I guess. I do know > that > > if it involves a woman's egg then it might be life that is all I was > trying > > to say. Janice > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Emily and Julian Brinac <[log in to unmask]> > > To: <[log in to unmask]> > > Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 7:52 AM > > Subject: Re: Debra/no sperm in SCNT > > > > > > > Janice, > > > You are mentioning of taking a life to help yourself as > unacceptable. I > > > do not know if I understand. There was a point made about growing > your > > > own stem cells from your own DNA. This would not take somebody > else's > > > life. Do not misunderstand me. I am PRO LIFE too. I also question > how do > > > we know for certain all of God's plans? I truly do not want to spin > > > another discussion about our own faith. > > > Emily > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Janice Morgan" <[log in to unmask]> > > > To: <[log in to unmask]> > > > Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 9:59 AM > > > Subject: Re: Debra/no sperm in SCNT > > > > > > > > > > I know what you are trying to say, I just said things that I saw > on > > > TV. It > > > > is being said that it is not life with out a sperm and I just > > > disagree, for > > > > we now have a sheep and a kitten that did not need sperm to be > made. > > > So with > > > > all this other I feel if it is let to grow and can become a baby I > am > > > not > > > > for it that is all. I one would choose to shake to death before > taking > > > a > > > > life to help me. Janice > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Terry Bowers <[log in to unmask]> > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]> > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 6:14 AM > > > > Subject: Re: Debra/no sperm in SCNT > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Janice, > > > > > > > > > > I for one am opposed to reproductive cloning, which aims to > create > > > human > > > > > beings by cloning human embryos. But I'm not alone. Patients > > > advocacy > > > > groups > > > > > and leading scientists, including the National Academy of > Sciences, > > > and a > > > > > huge majority of the American people agree that human > reproductive > > > cloning > > > > > should not be pursued. > > > > > > > > > > What we're talking about here is that SCNT could lead to > dramatic > > > new > > > > > treatments and cures for now-incurable diseases and medical > > > conditions. > > > > SCNT > > > > > could be used to help nearly 100 million Americans suffer from > > > cancer, > > > > > Alzheimer's, diabetes, Parkinson's, spinal cord injuries, heart > > > disease, > > > > > ALS, and other devastating conditions for which treatments must > > > still be > > > > > found. Proof of the principle for SCNT has been established in > > > recently > > > > > published research on disease in mice.Moreover SCNT is widely > > > supported in > > > > > the U.S., for instance by the Nation's leading medical > scientists, > > > > including > > > > > the National Academy of Sciences, major patient advocacy > > > organizations, > > > > the > > > > > American public, Republicans and Democrats and religious > leaders. > > > > > > > > > > However the Brownback bill would have devastating results. It > would > > > ban > > > > > SCNT, or therapeutic cloning, cutting-off hope to millions of > > > Americans > > > > with > > > > > life-threatening diseases; make it illegal for U.S. citizens to > seek > > > SCNT > > > > > treatment abroad. This means that a patient who may have little > > > hope left > > > > > could be thrown in jail upon re-entry to the U.S. if they went > to > > > another > > > > > country to have treatment using SCNT. The bill calls for sending > any > > > U.S. > > > > > scientist to jail for developing SCNT therapies in a petri dish; > > > makes it > > > > > illegal for U.S. scientists to import SCNT therapies that were > > > developed > > > > in > > > > > other countries. In short, passage of Brownback-or any ban on > this > > > > > research-runs counter to our nation's history as the world's > leader > > > in > > > > > biomedical research.Even a temporary ban on SCNT (such as a > > > moratorium) > > > > > would cripple this promising field and delay patients' access to > > > > potentially > > > > > life-saving treatments. > > > > > > > > > > And one final point that I would like to make. When we start > saying > > > when > > > > > life begins and when life ends and God is for this science and > God > > > is > > > > > against that science, we limit God. How can we as His creation > begin > > > to > > > > know > > > > > the true mind of God? > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > Terry Bowers > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Janice Morgan" <[log in to unmask]> > > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 5:40 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: Debra/no sperm in SCNT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rayilyn Brown, > > > > > > I hear what you are saying, does that mean that Dolly the > sheep > > > that > > > > was > > > > > a > > > > > > clone from an egg no sperm not a real sheep. What about the > kitten > > > that > > > > > came > > > > > > from an egg no sperm was that a real kitten. I saw on TV where > and > > > > > > independent company cloned an mans DNA from an egg and they > said > > > if it > > > > was > > > > > > implanted into an woman it would become a child. Just because > > > there is > > > > no > > > > > > sperm involved does not mean there is no life. 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