I've been trying to stay away from this discussion as I find myself to be too close to its subject. However, all the inspiring messages I've read for the past couple of days literally "push" me into this discussion. I still have difficulty seeing university writing as "leading nowhere" and not being "authentic" and workplace writing as having "real" goals and consequences. My graduate students, who have been reading Worlds Apart with me, also have trouble with this vision. I think that writing practice is so situated -- regardless whether it is school or workplace writing -- that such generalizations are hard to make. I am not going to refer to classroom practices in this message -- my view is that "authenticity" of classroom writing depends on courses and how they are taught. I am more concerned with the argument about "authenticity" and "real implications" of workplace writing. In my former life as an engineer and in my recent life as a writing consultant to high-tech companies and government, I often observed (and sometimes was personally involved in) writing situation that led nowhere and had no purpose above and beyond showing the boss that the writer was doing something rather than wasting time and money. How about workplace reports that are used for evaluation only -- how are they different from papers students write for evaluation purposes? How about project reports that report on work that has never been done -- reports that lie with the only purpose to justify the writer's salary and continuous employment? Should we pretend that it never happens in the workplace? Of course, these are extreme situations, but we need to keep in mind that there many situations in which workplace writing is not as "real" as it seems. I often see my students' writing as a much more "authentic" and "real" than the documents I used to come across (or asked to produce/edit) in various workplaces. I am not trying to diminish the important differences between school and workplace writing -- I agree with many conclusions drawn in Worlds Apart. I'm just trying to show that the sharp distinction between school and workplace is in fact much more "blurred." Natasha -- _____________________________________ Natasha Artemeva School of Linguistics and Applied Language Studies Carleton University 1125 Colonel By Drive Ottawa, Ontario K1S 5B6 Tel.+1 (613) 520-2600 ext.7452 Fax +1 (613) 520-6641 E-mail: [log in to unmask] http://www.carleton.ca/~nartemev/index.html -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To leave the list, send a SIGNOFF CASLL command to [log in to unmask] or, if you experience difficulties, write to Russ Hunt at [log in to unmask] For the list archives and information about the organization, its newsletter, and the annual conference, go to http://www.stu.ca/inkshed/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-