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I believe at the time I defended Jan Abas' theories with the admonition to the naysayers that whatever works for him is great whether real or imagined. But to call it or its tenets 'science' and clothe it in an unintelligible litany of scientific sounding claptrap disguised with and wrapped around terms which are equated with magic (I had to search google for some of them). At first I thought the 'causal theory' thread was someone having fun...but over time it is becoming clear (hah!) that its proponent is serious about the theory...or extraordinarily serious about pulling our legs. In the former case, I would suggest trying to make the point without esoteric formulas and theorem names. This is a PD list and not a seminar in Gaussian mathematics (I used that term because it sprang to mind. I'm sure it's not applicable to the proponent's argument but for me it is equally obscure). I am reasonably literate. I have a BSCE in Civil Engineering, a license to practice Professional Engineering in NY and CT, an MBA and I am AbD (academic joke lingo for a PhD "all but dissertation" meaning really that the PhD was never completed). I read the New York Times and Wall Street Journal daily. OK, so not cover to cover but enough to consider myself reasonably well informed as a result. I am a graduate of the US Army Command and General Staff College, The National Defense University Security Management Course, The Army War College (like getting a PhD in War Management) and a member of the Beta Gamma Sigma Honor Society. A Million years ago I was a childhood member of Mensa, I used to play chess with three people simultaneously at Cafe Rienzi in Greenwich Village until three in the morning and then go play rubber bridge for three cents a point which in the 1960s was an expensive game. With all this in my background, I HAVE NOT THE VAGUEST CONCEPT ABOUT WHICH THIS MAN SPEAKS. Paul h. Lauer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn