I'd like to add a word here, if I may... There was a presentation at the last CATTW conference, in which the presenter raised questions that EAP/ESL teachers assigned to teach courses in technical writing face. One of CATTW senior members responded to this presentation questioning the practice of assigning ESL/EAP teachers to technical writing classes. I completely support this CATTW member's view, that is, hiring people from another filed who have had no training in or exposure to discipline-specific writing may be dangerous. I know that people with all possible backgrounds are hired to teach disciplinary communication courses: people from English, Philosophy, EAP and so on. Why are we doing that? Because we can't find people who would COMBINE disciplinary knowledge and understanding of rhetoric. I once thought that the solution would be to ask disciplinary professors to teach discipline-specific writing courses. Alas, few of them have a desire to do it and even fewer have a clear understanding of rhetoric, and therefore, tend to teach "the way it's done in such and such company where I used to work" or "the way I do it" without raising questions "why was it done this way" or "why do I do it this way." This kind of teaching results in students' views of (engineering in my case) writing as a set of templates and rules to follow. On the other hand, hiring somebody who has no idea of the (engineering) discipline but understands rhetoric may also result in a disaster. I think the ideal would be for disciplinary professors to devise writing assignments in collaboration with a rhetoric person WHO SHOULD UNDERSTAND demands of a particular discipline either by virtue of having a degree in this discipline or through an exposure to the discipline as a writing consultant, for example, and then respond to students' writing as a team. I have doubts, though, about the feasibility of such a set-up. My colleague has developed a new version of the Engineering communication course we teach at Carleton specifically to accommodate instructors with a limited knowledge of the discipline. Wendy, if you are interested, please let me know at [log in to unmask] Natasha Russ Hunt wrote: > > I think Rob describes the situation and the challenge perfectly. > I've not seen it stated so clearly. > > One thing I'd add . . . > > > Note that a discipline-based course will need to be taught by > > someone in the discipline, rather than by a writing person > > parachuting in. Only from within the discipline will the > > values of the discipline be truly apparent. > > Yes, and one of the real dangers here is that WI courses will be > taught by people parachuted in from somewhere _in_ the > discipline. The real challenge is to make sure those courses > are taught by the regular faculty, and that the regular faculty > get the training and support they need. (Our writing program > here, back at the dawn of time, faced this challenge: > departments wanted to hire in their own part-timers to do the > writing stuff, rather than seconding faculty. Not many people > understood the real lasting benefit of the program, which was > that it potentially changed the teaching of the regular faculty > dramatically and forever.) > > -- Russ > St. Thomas University > http://www.StThomasU.ca/~hunt/ > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > To leave the list, send a SIGNOFF CASLL command to > [log in to unmask] or, if you experience difficulties, > write to Russ Hunt at [log in to unmask] > > For the list archives and information about the organization, > its newsletter, and the annual conference, go to > http://www.stu.ca/inkshed/ > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- _____________________________________ Natasha Artemeva School of Linguistics and Applied Language Studies Carleton University 1125 Colonel By Drive Ottawa, Ontario K1S 5B6 Tel.+1 (613) 520-2600 ext.7452 Fax +1 (613) 520-6641 E-mail: [log in to unmask] http://www.carleton.ca/~nartemev/index.html -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To leave the list, send a SIGNOFF CASLL command to [log in to unmask] or, if you experience difficulties, write to Russ Hunt at [log in to unmask] For the list archives and information about the organization, its newsletter, and the annual conference, go to http://www.stu.ca/inkshed/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-