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Yes Paul, The points you make are compelling. I have been reluctant to denigrate something that gives others hope, but I must say that I too find Paneri's claims lacking in credibility and redolent of hype. I'm with Ray and Linda and the others on the list who are urging political activism to push our agenda for research and policy. I'm beginning to think we need the PD equivalent of Act Up -- not the usual plucky, gallant, gracious PwP-next-door stuff, but something more along the lines of "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more." Woe to us all if pinning our hopes on the Dr. Paneris of the world causes us to neglect political activism. We can't afford to lose momentum for research, especially with so many promising developments that seem on the brink of fruition. To fellow listers who are giving Dr. P. a try, I would be delighted if your experience proves my reservations wrong. But all of us need to make the powers that be understand that when we feel compelled to turn to something as unproven and untested as Dr. Paneri's cure, that's not nearly, remotely good enough. Ready to get in someone's face, Kathleen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn