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On Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 10:26 PM, NMartin wrote:

> Don
>
> Thought I understood in reading Dr. Lieberman's site that Sinemet
> could not
> come in patch form.  But if it does, I couldn't think of anything
> better for
> the moment.    I'm doing the trial study with the  Rotigotine Patch,
> but
> that keeps me up a couple of extra hours in the night.   However it's
> better
> than Comtan or Mirapex for me.
The person who told me about the patch is under a non disclosure
agreement.
I  do not know to much more about it other than just that testing is
finished.

> Would you mind if I ask how long you've been diag and quantity of
> Sinemet
> daily.   I feel my Sinemet dose is too high.  It's double what it was
> before
> I went off of most drugs in preparation for the trial study.
> Currently I
> take 20-22 tab (reg 25/100).    In the past the Sinemet CR made my
> dystonia
> more painfu My neurologist, who is quite qualified,  isn't worried
> about
> it much.    Thanks for anything you can share. l.
I take 2-25/100 every four hours and 200 mg comtan to stretch this
amount  of sinemet  as it runs out in 3 hrs 15 minutes (approx).  0r
12- 25/100's and 6 comtan  every 24 hrs. Diagnosed 5 years in April.
There was a CG or PWP  I can't remember which who was from England,
just as I got diagnosed 5 years ago,  who had  calculated on his
website and had a theory on how much sinemet a person should need
through a number of factors . Maybe some of the longer list members
know  more about this. I was quite new at the time on the list and was
trying to get over all the denial by refusing to take meds, I got a
real quick instant education from the  people on this list.  In my
opinion I think that probably a great majority of PWP's are either over
medicated or under medicated.  Here in Canada and I stand to be
corrected you can get sinemet in 25 or 50 x100/200 and  CR.  The
question that I have asked to many MDS Neurologists'  is what happens
if a PWP at any stage only needs 18  not 25 or needs 42 not 50.   I was
told  25 can be cut in half with a pill cutter to make 12.5 .  However
what happens when that constant amount required  is out of range  of
12.5, 25, 37.5, 50,  etc.   and the PWP has very painful dyskensias
from getting to much sinemet to soon?  How can one person be calculated
  to need exactly the same dose  for example  for 4 hrs. as another; if
one person is 6 feet tall 225  lbs  very active vs another person 5
feet tall and 98 lbs has a sedentary lifestyle.  Thats why I think the
patch could be better at metering out a constant required amount.  I
know of some PWP's who have to use liquid sinemet (crush the pills with
juice as sinemet is not water soluble and sip  as required) as in pill
form it just doesn't work appropriately for them.  I think that since
there is no competition with sinemet as there is no other drug
discovered equal to it that perhaps the drug industry  has been quite
complacent in coming out with variation level dosages,  liquid form,
patches etc.   I had hoped that  even I would have had some other
options,  for  example, two nites ago as I  was Chairman of a Community
Forum.  Due to stress involved my 4 PM meds ran out at 6:30, half an
hour before  the forum started 7 PM. When I took my meds at the 8 PM
break they refused to kick in till 9:30 PM after the forum was over.
Let me tell you being OFF is pure hell in public when two groups of
people have very different opinions on the same issue..  I own my own
business and its not well known in the community that I have PD+ MSA.
I found out very quickly is was not very advantages for the business
when the  people know the owner is ill, but that's a whole other topic
for discussion.  When diagnosed with " maybe PD" in 1998  by a GP
doctor first, even I did not have one clue what this disease was about.
  In 48 years, I had never heard of it, no other family member ever had
it, never was able to distinguish anyone who had it publicly, even if I
would have I would have only known that that person was different i.e.
had a visible tremor, shuffled , etc. but not necessarily could tell
that he/she had PD.  In the last few years finally  there has been
quite a bit of publicity come out on this disease.  Hopefully that
publicity will encourage the  drug company to come out with a better
constant way of dispensing  Sinemet , other than pills with very few
stringent levels so that we can maintain a greatly improved quality of
life longer than we do now.  Our choices for a decent quality of life
are still very limited  with Sinemet and the other quality of life
option if Sinemet is no longer effective of DBS.
>  My neurologist, who is quite qualified,  isn't worried about
> it much.
>
Statements like that that he/she is not worried about your dystonia
bother me greatly as a PWP. To me it sort of says hey your in pain but
what the heck you have PD. They are supposed to be able to give us a
better quality of life by some means not just say live with it. I guess
I expect a lot more from them then just ignoring some side effect which
they consider to be minor that's making your life  real miserable.  I
tell my Doctors from time to time that when they say,  well its painful
but live with it, that what they just said  is totally unacceptable  to
me that sure makes them stop in their tracks and they do some real deep
thinking about other options in a real hurry.   I do hope your
neurologist is a MDS neurologist.
BTW I am NOT a Doctor so these are only my personal observations and
opinions.

Don
54/5 PD+MSA

> Niwana
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donald Diswinka" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 7:53 PM
> Subject: Re: Night-time rigidity
>
>
>> Riverwater
>>
>> I use an alarm which wakes me at 12 midnite, 4 am, 8am to take regular
>> doses of sinemet and comtan.
>> Therefore my body gets equal dosage 24 hours a day every four hours.
>> I
>> would guess a lot of us wake up in pain to turn over cause the body
>> for
>> whatever reason  refuses to turn itself over. The continuos medication
>> regime I am on does not turn me over when I should but allows the pain
>> to wake me  and keeps me mobile enough that I still can turn over
>> myself. This also makes me mobile  with minimal rigidity when I get
>> up.
>> The Sinemet Patch is coming very soon I was told! Yes it would be nice
>> to go to bed before midnite and sleep till 8 am just once in a while.
>>
>> Don
>> 54/5 PD+ MSA
>>
>> On Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 10:29 AM, Riverwater wrote:
>>
>>> Does anybody know a way to get Sinemet into me
>>> continuously throughout the night? (A PATCH????)
>>>
>>> I've had PD for almost 14 years (51 years old now) and
>>> I've had to get a live-in because I awake in the night
>>> totally unable to roll over or move in bed.
>>>
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