Tosh has a good point about Tufte's bias for "contribute to data presentation only." I think that what he may be missing (and I'm working from his Wired article here, not the full-blown and controverially distributed pamphlet) is that an audience for a talk cannot process certain kinds of complexity. In the wired article, he holds up a table as "good" -- but frankly it isn't. I see no legitimate warrant for the claim of "goodness". It is visually unappealing and cognitively difficult. Certainly, a good presenter could lead a listener through the table, but would the listener comprehend or retain the information? Not likely. When handling information aurally (and whatever the ppt folks say, a presentation is still largely received through the ears), we have a much more limited scope for comprehension. In fact, some research I read recently suggests that the human ear can receive 160,000 bits per second, whereas the eye can absorb 30, 000,000 or more. That's a factor of 100 difference! For me, that becomes the reason why the construction of the visuals is so important. If the visuals do not complement the oral presentation, then the speaker will lose. The flashy visuals will take over, but so too will the complex table that Tufte lauds. Neither is, in fact, good for a talk. I concur with the points from the Calgarians: we need to teach students to have rhetorical savvy for using powerpoint. They can't just avoid it -- it is ubiquitous -- but they can understand how it positions an audience, and how to use it creatively. Just to show how more technology may in fact make life better -- in this one regard -- the new Electrovaya Scribbler Tablet PC actually enables you to make marks on your powerpoint slides on the fly. Thus, you can be in mid presentation, and add a point, circle a spot, or whatever, and it shows up on screen. That at least takes us back to some of the flexibility in emphasis that was available with acetate. Of course, it also continues to widen the divide between the techno-riche and the rest of us. Rob -- ************************************** Dr. Robert Irish, Director Language Across the Curriculum Applied Science and Engineering University of Toronto SF B670 416.978.6708 http://www.ecf.utoronto.ca/~writing ************************************* -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To leave the list, send a SIGNOFF CASLL command to [log in to unmask] or, if you experience difficulties, write to Russ Hunt at [log in to unmask] For the list archives and information about the organization, its newsletter, and the annual conference, go to http://www.stu.ca/inkshed/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-