OK, let me give my dialectical predilections full sway . . . I loved that complaint ppt, too; it's right up there with John Cleese complaining about his parrot. But. That's my main problem with ppt: it affords that kind of one-ended, no-response, sockittome rhetoric. You wouldn't choose to use ppt to _negotiate_ with the Doubletree. Not, of course, that you _couldn't_: but what it most comfortably affords (thanks for the reminder of the relevance of that terminology, Doug) is diatribe, one-ended delivery. Sure, Rob's right (it was Rob who said it?) there are times when you want to deliver information. I think teaching's rarely one of them, though. The objections to ppt that I've heard, of course, go way beyond teaching (as do Tufte's), but I think that's what all of us here are talking about. If I want an explanation of the new server configuration at UNB, or the internal organization of the ministry of environment, I imagine ppt would be a pretty powerful tool: but if I'm trying to engender active construction of a new and subtle idea, well . . . -- Russ St. Thomas University http://www.stu.ca/~hunt/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To leave the list, send a SIGNOFF CASLL command to [log in to unmask] or, if you experience difficulties, write to Russ Hunt at [log in to unmask] For the list archives and information about the organization, its newsletter, and the annual conference, go to http://www.stu.ca/inkshed/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-