Bravo, Russ! I loved your article entitled "Three Cheers for Plagiarism" You have brought out the issues and tried to de-mystify the morality of plagiarism. Your article tempted me to comment a little on the complex problems you raise, so please bear with me! I too believe that students need to practice proper citations for all the good reasons that real scholars do so, and which you list so succinctly in your article. I like to bring to their attention Bereiter and Scardamalia's distinctioin between "knowledge-telling" and "knowledge-creation". When we use research simply as a vehicle for knowledge-telling, we collapse what we have read into what we believe. In other words, we become only as knowledgeable as the last book we have read. There is no distinction between "this is a fact" and "I agree with Johnson when he says this". When we use research for knowledge creation, then we incorporate that knowledge into all the other knowledge we have accumulated. In order to do that, however, we have to have some awareness of where the different ideas we hold in our minds come from, and how they relate to each other. That is true academic scholarship. The problem is that we can't expect first year students to be able to make these distinctions and move from knowledge-telling to knowledge creation immediately, simply because they have signed a "code of honour" at the university. I gave a paper at the 2003 CCCC's conference entitled: "Plagiarism: the good, the bad and the ungainly" in which I try to show that good research reporting practice (i.e. avoiding plagiarism), at least for ESL students, is a process which students learn in stages. I have identified, through an examination of student essays, at least three stages in that process whereby students move from knowledge-telling to knowledge creation in their essays. Indeed, my doctoral research extends that idea to see if the same stages can be identified in first-language writing as well. Bakhtin talks about at least two kinds of reported speech: linear, direct reporting which draws clear distinctions between the words of the reporter and the words being reported, and pictorial reporting in which the ideas of reporter and reported are intertwined to create new knowledge. In Western Academic practice direct reporting is the preferred choice, but as you say, there are many times when pictorial reporting actually occurs. The question you raise is very pertinent: Can we expect our students to adhere to direct reporting practices when we ourselves are guilty of transgressions from the ideal? I would ask a further question, based on Randall's book: In the post-modern world where the internet puts most knowledge in the public domain, are such strict boundaries between what we read and what we think practical or necessary? Thanks again for your article. I really enjoyed it! Theresa. Jane Milton wrote: > > The latest issue of the Inkshed Newsletter is now available at > > http://www.stu.ca/inkshed/dec03.htm > > Please note the "Renew Your Membership" page for those who have not paid > this year's dues! > > Many thanks to Russ Hunt for the technological magic. > > Happy Holidays to All, > Jane Milton. > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > To leave the list, send a SIGNOFF CASLL command to > [log in to unmask] or, if you experience difficulties, > write to Russ Hunt at [log in to unmask] > > For the list archives and information about the organization, > its newsletter, and the annual conference, go to > http://www.stu.ca/inkshed/ > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To leave the list, send a SIGNOFF CASLL command to [log in to unmask] or, if you experience difficulties, write to Russ Hunt at [log in to unmask] For the list archives and information about the organization, its newsletter, and the annual conference, go to http://www.stu.ca/inkshed/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-