I am a bit late to join the discussion, but still... I've been quite confused by the repeated claim that writing at school is "not real," while writing at work is. My question is: "not real" to whom? I bet it's real to the students: they have to work hard to produce it, and I bet it's real to the professors, who have to work hard to respond to it. So, who is this imaginary person who sees school writing as not "authentic"? And why we, for whom school writing is the reality of everyday work, insist that it is not quite so "real"? On the other hand (as I said many times in different contexts), there are many cases when workplace writing in not perceived as real either by the writers or by the readers (let's say, more than once did I hear that some workplace writing is just a "game"; and sometimes, it is). I do not think that by arguing that some courses are designed to encourage "real" writing versus "not so real" writing we can convince anybody that school writing is as real as any other type of writing. In fact, this argument only supports the claim that the "usual" school writing is "not real," and that we need to design special courses that would require students to write for outside readers/clients and thus, to become engaged in "authentic" writing tasks. While I support this approach to course design and use it myself, I think that to understand the origin of the claim that school writing is less "real" than workplace writing we need to go back to my initial question: who decides how real a piece of writing is? Perhaps, classroom writing is not "real" to a company manager who expects reports from her employees, but it is more than real when situated in a classroom. By the same token, an employee report written to a manager of a particular company in the context of a particular project is not "real" to a student in a classroom: it has no meaning outside of its immediate context. Perhaps, we could agree that any type of writing is real to the person who writes it and to the person who receives it as a reader. -- Natasha Artemeva Assistant Professor School of Linguistics and Applied Language Studies Carleton University 1125 Colonel By Drive Ottawa, Ontario K1S 5B6 Tel.+1 (613) 520-2600 ext.7452 Fax +1 (613) 520-6641 E-mail: [log in to unmask] http://www.carleton.ca/~nartemev/index.html -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To leave the list, send a SIGNOFF CASLL command to [log in to unmask] or, if you experience difficulties, write to Russ Hunt at [log in to unmask] For the list archives and information about the organization, its newsletter, and the annual conference, go to http://www.stu.ca/inkshed/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-