Thanks for a very good source, Russ. I agree with the article you've mentioned in your message. I have numerous objections against "plagiarism hunting" on campuses. My first objection is very well explained in the article: > I'm troubled by this co-option of student writing on human subject > grounds. Most universities have protocols for getting permission to > study humans, whether medically, chemically, or socially (i.e. > interviewing, surveying, ethnographies and so on). Under these > protocols, researchers must submit plans for how they will collect and > use student works, and must work out permission to do so. As a teacher > and textbook author -- and now as someone who works for a publisher -- > I would never use students work in a book, at a conference, or in any > professional capacity without students' written permission, which > permission must be freely given and not co-erced as a condition of the > course. > > With Turnitin.com, students' work is captured and held without their > permission. This goes against the grain of most writing pedagogy, > which premises that students are 'authors' and 'authorities' and > owners of their own work (coincidentally, the assumption used to > establish copyright). It also goes against the grain of one's right to > their intellectual property that Turnitin.com, in its pursuit of > plagiarists, seeks to uphold. So using Turnitin.com presents students > with a double standard. > We all are familiar with recent Tri-Council policies on research involving humans. Recently, I've heard that now instructors are not allowed to use student work for teaching even if the students have given permission for their work to be used for teaching purposes. Such services as Turnitin.com make me wonder why researchers and teachers seem to be required to uphold such high standards while none of these standards is applied to Turnitin.com. That's one of the problems I have with the service. My other objection is that I am worried by the trend of turning academia into a policing service, which is more interested in catching cheaters than in teaching students how to become educated and ethical human beings. My view is that my responsibility as a teacher is to help students acquire knowledge, learn how to learn, and develop strategies that would help them become whatever they want to become. My role as a writing teacher is to put students in such contexts that would make it natural for them to work with sources and incorporate these sources into their writing, when needed. In this case, I know that I can show/explain to my students why other people's words and ideas always are used in one's own writing, why and when it's appropriate to acknowledge them and when it may not be appropriate, and how to do it properly (and what "properly" means). In no way do I see my role as a police woman (Russ, you've already heard this one). If my students understand that stealing (that is, in my understanding, copying somebody's words or using somebody's ideas without referring to their original author when appropriate and when it is possible to locate the original author) is unethical, they won't do it on purpose. Those who understand and still do it -- as we all know, they are doomed professionally, so they'll be punished more seriously than any university can punish them, and I can hardly do anything about them (if they want to cheat, they'll find a clever way to do it anyway). Those who don't understand and copy because of the lack of understanding should be taught better rather than punished; that is, essentially, I see such cheating as my problem. I see my business as education, not policing. On top of all that, proper referencing of sources is a complex subject and is worth a serious academic investigation (for example, see recent claims that Bakhtin plagiarized from Ernst Cassirer). If academics -- we ourselves -- can't figure it out, how can we punish students for not being able to do it "properly"? Natasha Russ Hunt wrote: > There's also a pretty good site about this whole issue that Nick > Carbone (who also spoke at that conference) has put up for Bedford-St. > Martin's, called "Turnitin.com, a Pedagogic Placebo for Plagiarism." > It's here: > > http://www.bedfordstmartins.com/technotes/techtiparchive/ttip060501.htm > > I recommend it. > > -- Russ -- Natasha Artemeva Assistant Professor School of Linguistics and Applied Language Studies Carleton University 1125 Colonel By Drive Ottawa, Ontario K1S 5B6 Tel.+1 (613) 520-2600 ext.7452 Fax +1 (613) 520-6641 E-mail: [log in to unmask] http://www.carleton.ca/~nartemev/index.html -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To leave the list, send a SIGNOFF CASLL command to [log in to unmask] or, if you experience difficulties, write to Russ Hunt at [log in to unmask] For the list archives and information about the organization, its newsletter, and the annual conference, go to http://www.stu.ca/inkshed/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-