One additional thing about turnitin to add to Doug's convincing (well, to me, anyway) response to Rob: at the conference on plagiarism in Maine where I delivered the original version of the Newletter piece in the last issue, I heard an impressive presentation by Charles Cronin of the Columbia University Law Library, in which he documented, in case after case, blatant misreprentations of the legal and moral status of various things it called "plagiarism" on the turnitin.com Web site. It convinced me that it isn't just a question of their heart being in the right place but I disagree with them. This seems pretty clearly to be about cash (leaving aside the ethics of the way they treat student texts). There's also a pretty good site about this whole issue that Nick Carbone (who also spoke at that conference) has put up for Bedford-St. Martin's, called "Turnitin.com, a Pedagogic Placebo for Plagiarism." It's here: http://www.bedfordstmartins.com/technotes/techtiparchive/ttip060501.htm I recommend it. -- Russ St. Thomas University http://www.stu.ca/~hunt/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To leave the list, send a SIGNOFF CASLL command to [log in to unmask] or, if you experience difficulties, write to Russ Hunt at [log in to unmask] For the list archives and information about the organization, its newsletter, and the annual conference, go to http://www.stu.ca/inkshed/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-