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Ray, if I remember well, I wrote you my letter off list... In my interpretetaion this means that your answer should have come off-list, too. I'm really very sorry that you "disobeyed" this silent agreement. Anyway, I also could write more about socialism - maybe much more than anyone of you - but my hands and mind are tired. Olga PWP 51/47/40 and CG for my own Hungary [log in to unmask] **May peace of heart fill all your days, may serenity grace your soul.** ----- Original Message ----- From: "DAVID LEWIN" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 3:00 PM Subject: Re: socialism > Bravo for the clarity of your thought and knowledge. David > > > >From: Rayilyn Brown <[log in to unmask]> > >Reply-To: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network > ><[log in to unmask]> > >To: [log in to unmask] > >Subject: Re: socialism > >Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 17:40:09 EST > > > >Olga, > >Yes. I have been to the USSR 3 times, once in 1977 and I concluded they > >needed a good revolution , rather than celebrating the one that overthrew > >the Czar, > >Poland, Hungary, Yugoslovia, Bulgaria, Romania, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, > >Finland and all of Western Europe. And to communist countries when they > >were > >Communist. > > > >We do have a "mixed economy"in the U.S. I am a former teacher of American > >History and know that to be true. I think our definitions must be > >different. We > >do not have a completely capitalist system anyway, altho as I noted in my > >email present day capitalists are getting much more than their fair share > >of the > >economic pie. I have an old Democrat friend who thinks we are going to > >become > >a nation of haves and have-nots - the middle class is disappearing. > > > >In the early 1900's of the Progressive Era we got many things Socialists > >wanted, like a progressive income tax with the 16th Amendment to the > >Constitution. President Roosevelt, a Republican, believed there were > >certain things the > >government should do - like rregulate the railroads (he was known as a > >trust > >buster) and the meat we ate and drugs we took with the Pure Food and Drug > >Act. He also favored protecting the environment with the etablishment of > >our > >national parks. > > > >He also believed the government was going to be big, just like big business > >- > >the question was what was it's role to be. President Wilson, a Democrat, > >who > >followed him during WW I believed in the "New Freedom" or going back to an > >era of small business. So you can see our political parties and their > >leaders > >have changed positions on the issues since the founding of the republic. > > > >I think it depends on the country and its history, what "socialism" means > >or > >is. > >I could write more, but my hands are tired. > > > >Ray > > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > >mailto:[log in to unmask] > >In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > _________________________________________________________________ > Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. > http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn