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I have to make one comment. I don't think we have an argument here. While it is considered to be a "Hot" subject everyone has expressed some opinions without insulting the others. From it all I see emerging a discussion that perhaps we can all benefit from. There is no silver bullet but all on this list are concerned with sharing their personal experience and or opinions with the hope of helping someone or gaining help with their particular situation. In the end if our good neighbors to the north can help ease the burden of some drug costs for some US citizens we should help to show the way. If the US can provide surgery and testing that is not available in Canada then we should provide guidance from personal experience to help them. In the end the people on this list win. You can't gain this help and hope from avoiding discussions. You can help by providing examples and perhaps encouraging that one person that may be helped to take the step needed. Regards and Happy New year! Frank and Teri (Pittsburgh) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ann Ryan" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 9:46 AM Subject: Re: socialism > The discussion revolving around socialism is more of a personal one for the > members of this list because of the high price we all pay for medicine and > medical care. However.......we live 'over the bridge' from Canada and know > that, although large groups of seniors pass over from the U.S for medicine, > a significant number of Canadians come in the opposite direction for > surgery. While 'cradle to grave' services are a wonderful concept, the down > side is that the services are rationed (and have to be) in some > circumstances. A relative of a friend came to the U.S. for coronary by-pass > surgery because she was refused the procedure in Canada - she was 72 and was > considered to old to be a candidate. > > While child care and affordable health care in the U.S. are less than > adequate, there are advantages to our health care system. > -------------- > Happy New Year everyone > Mary Ann (CG Jamie 64/24) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn