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thanks, Frank and Teri, what you say is true. I did not mean to start an argument, but a discussion and a few facts, like others have pointed out. Things are not cut and dried and always what they seem - it depends on the country and the actual situtation. besides, I'm, too tired to fight, but my brain is still working. Ray ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn