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I agree, folks. The only politics that should be on this list is one of positive action,without the negative bash or comment. An example would be: write to your congressman or senator on a particular bill, or funding program that effects Parkinson research and funding. I posted about a week ago 4 sources folks can email, write or call concerning legislative bills and initiatives. I dont mind that kind of call to action, but a little self restraint from disrectful comments concerning ones political beliefs is appreciated. If you want to start a political action list that promotes one party over another, or endorses one candidate over another, then thats fine by me; but if you begin bashing one party over another, or one candidate over another on this list, then I will be leaving it. (no matter what party you bash). I love the two party or more system, and to promote one over the other on a list like this is inappropriate. Lets keep the main vision of this list to the care, compassion, love, and medical news that its meant for.........not unseemly politics that ends up in heated debate that will aleinate other members on the list. Jeff > I believe my point was missed or perhaps I did not communicate it as I > desired. That happens in political discussions all the time. The message > gets lost in the passion. I am not suggesting "Banishment" at all. I am > suggesting a more powerful approach. Two lists that are linked each > referring to the other. Each addressing specific needs, one support, > comfort, advice sharing experiences... the other a political action list. > > Political groups by their nature become exclusionary regardless of lofty > statements by leaders and the most vocal advocates of the group. This list > should not be exclusionary. Imagine the reception a small group of > Republicans would have at the Democratic national convention or likewise > Democrats at the Republican national convention. Imagine the reception The > Islamic Defamation League would have at a meeting of the Jewish Defamation > League. > > Your suggestion of deleting messages that might contain political > discussions falls into the same category as telling an African American to > ignore discussions which might describe Martin Luther King as a womanizer or > Malcolm X as a terrorist or Jessie Jackson as a womanizer and embezzler. > People could use those descriptions of these great leaders against a worthy > political position those leaders represented. The result would not be a > discussion but an atmosphere of exclusion and polarization. African > Americans of varied political beliefs and religions would feel polarized or > excluded from the main stream discussions and benefits this board has to > offer all. How would you feel telling African Americans to "Just delete > messages you find offensive"? > > This board should be a place where people can turn to in a time of need and > deep emotional distress. The tone of the political discussion here has > turned it into a battle ground and sounding board for political and > religious beliefs. People can't help but be offended. Those that shout the > loudest, flame the most, are the most aggressive... will dominate the board. > The result is those that have some widely and deeply held religious or > political beliefs will be alienated and will be offended. It just can't be > helped. > > Of course I agree politics are intertwined with healthcare and we need to be > aware of the issues and politicians viewpoints. What is expressed here for > the most part are not accurate representations of the politicians viewpoints > but the personal political and religious beliefs of those posting. What is > expressed here are for the most part empty campaign promises from both sides > translated for our consumption by board members who have strong personal > beliefs. Issues are misrepresented. Candidates are taken out of context. > The perceived opposition is always bashed. Spin is always accentuated facts > are rarely represented in a balanced fashion. I guess that's just a > reflection of US politics. What has been missed is this board is hosted by > our good neighbors in Canada. It was never intended to be a forum to > discuss US politics regardless of the impact perceived by the member > posting. This board is turning into a single issue campaign forum. Those > who truly struggle with ethical issues are labeled as obstructionists and > backward. Those who support a specific single issue are labeled as the only > politicians truly concerned with the issues of those burdened with this > terrible disease. > > With all due respect there are those who want to impose their political and > religious beliefs on others. This should not be the forum for that. I hope > you can agree with that statement. Tell me where do you draw the line? > > I apologize to all. I have once again felt compelled to express my views > that are political in nature and have not contributed in anyway in this post > to the betterment of the lives of those effected with this terrible disease. > In fact I have probably alienated someone who could truly help with a > question or plea for support or help I may post here in the future. > > With sincere respect and regards to all... The only true enemy of this group > is this terrible disease. Unite to offer support of those who are cursed > with it. > > Frank cg. Teri 52/47/40 15024 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda J Herman" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 11:28 PM > Subject: Re: We have lost our way and ignored the main mission of this board > > > > Frank, > > I respectfully suggest that if you do not wish to read about politics you > > should just delete those messages and not try to censor those of us who > > do wish to discuss these issues or try to "banish" us to a separate list. > > Political discussion and action has a part of the Parkinsn list for the > > 10 years the list has been in existence. Politics for better or for worse > > is intertwined with health care in this country and as people with > > chronic illness and disabilities, we had better be aware of the issues > > and the candidates' viewpoints. > > > > Linda Herman > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn