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Greg We've been friends for a long time, and it would take more than a disagreement on religion to break that up. I just get emotionally charged (maybe not the right words) when someone tries to squelch another for expression of what helps him/her get through the trials of life. Then we let people make biased political statements and hardly acknowledge them. It's true; for the very reasons stated above this is probably not the best medium for discussing religion or politics, unless in the context of helping cope or to rally for important legislative moves. I apologize for ripping off an emotionally-laden opinion - and I majorly apologize for incinuating you were not a believer. We need to move on. Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Wasson" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 2:26 AM Subject: Re: WendyLearning To Accept Life, Not Fight It > Peg, > > I don't believe that I said I was a nonbeliever - it would be inaccurate if I did. I also recognize that belief in god or a higher power is relevant to emmotional support and strength to deal with this disease. But debating whether god exists or why one chooses to believe in god seems periously close to attempting to convince - preaching. I didn't say ban it , or move it to a separate area as was suggested about PD politics, I just said label it honestly - its off-topic. > > I am not here to stir up trouble - it genuinely bothers me to see so much of the "hallelujah" chorus here, on MGH, PLWP. It is usually fundamentalist in nature and often offers its politics with it, such as comments about prayer in schools, the pledge of allegiance, blah, blah... > > I won't post on this subject again, but after the recent anguished posts about "we have lost our way" it seemed a bit hypocritical to launch into a long thread discussing people why believe or don't believe in a deity. Just my opinion. > > Respectfully my friend, > > Greg > > > > Peggy Willocks <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > You make a valid point about not discussing the existence of God here. Here > is not a place to try to inflict our beliefs about anything about such > important topics as religion - politics and advocacy included. However here > IS a place for us to share emotional support. Wendy was not preaching but > merely making a statement about her emotional support being found in a diety > very much recognized throughout the world, no more than what you do through > your motivational statements about advocating for a specific political > action. She was answering a question as to why bad things happen to good > people - in her humble manner. > > Your point is well taken that you are wanting to go on record as a > non-believer; Wendy's was well taken that she was going on record as a > believer - something that helps her (and me and others) get through living > with Parkinson's. It is best if we not discuss either politics or > religion - but let's not totally remove the intent of the First Amendment's > "freedom of speech." And please don't point a finger at someone and say > they're preaching, and their doing so willl "bring people to your door with > a Watch Tower in hand. If her statement here does so, please let us know. > Preaching? - If that is giving one's opinion of one's way of dealing with > things, we ALL have done so at one time or another. Time to move to another > topic. > Peggy > PS - "I am Peg Willocks and I approve this statement." > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Wasson" > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 2:48 AM > Subject: Re: WendyLearning To Accept Life, Not Fight It > > > > With all due respect to everyone who has contributed to the recent > discussion of the existence of God, I think that the God/No God question is > far less important to the subject of Parkinson's than a respectful > discussion of the politics of health in the U.S., Canada, or elsewhere. > > > > If believing in God makes it easier for some to live with the disease, > fine, end of story. The rest, despite disclaimers, is intended to convince > those who don't believe - that is, it is preaching. It is off-topic and > comes close to being offensive. I don't want preachers showing up on my > cyber door-step, Watch Tower in hand. > > > > This is not aimed at Wendy or anybody in particular. 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