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Frank - You are so very right about this needing to be a place for help, hope, and guidance on dealing with this terrible disease. We need to keep our place in this world in perspective, and your comments did just that. Murray Charters, as you mentioned, is such a caring person. That's why he is being awarded the Alan Bonander Humanitarian Award at this year's Unity Walk in New York's Central Park. (see link http://www.unitywalk.org/n_ChartersM.shtml ) In defense of the political, religious comments made here, however; it's a part of us no matter how much we turn our heads or try to not "discuss" it. And yes, here is probably not the best place to air out our feelings. And like it or not, our help, our hope, and yes, even our guidance in dealing with this terrible disease will be greatly affected by our political arena and for certain our religious beliefs. But thank you for the moving reminder that advice on how to make it through each day would probably more beneficial on this listserve. Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "FrankandTeri" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 5:40 AM Subject: I need help. I need hope. I need guidance on dealing with this terrible disease. > I need help. I need hope. I need guidance on dealing with this terrible > disease. > > I don't need political opinions. > I don't need religious views. > I don't want to see people I care about and respect insulted. > I don't want to see anyone's religious, political and personal views > depicted as evil. > > I will seek the help and understanding of all here. > I will provide the same to all regardless of their race, economic class, > occupation, age, political or religious beliefs. > > It amazes me that Murray Charters can effectively post many articles > regarding progress and failures and roadblocks and breakthroughs, many of > which are a bit unflattering to the political leadership, and not wind up in > the middle of a political discussion. After not much thought I came up with > the answer. Murray posts the entire article many of which are from > respected organizations. He does so without degrading, insulting and > negative political commentary. Of course my opinion is many of these > articles already reflect the political bias of the writers but that's life. > The writers rarely make obviously insulting judgment calls. They, for the > most part, provide some unbiased background and then some quotes from people > interviewed. When the people interviewed are political candidates we expect > political rhetoric from them. Please note those candidates are not posting > their rhetoric on this board. Because of this Murray handles these delicate > subjects in a respectful manner. Most of the posts are informational and on > target and of PD interest... > > Cheers to Murray. Not sure of his political opinions, not sure of his > religious beliefs and not sure of his education but I do know Murray does > not try let his personal beliefs overshadow what he has taken on as a > mission. Murray try's to provide Hope, Help and Guidance through his > complete compilations and posting on this board of on subject articles of > interest to the PD community. > > Iraq, "Clinton Blow jobs", Haiti, Snake Pits, Venom, Forked tongues, > accusations of lies, accusations of declaring war on all Americans, > comparing the president to a terrorist, degrading peoples religious beliefs > even when they are not posted, insulting people who struggle with moral > dilemmas and more, have no legitimate purpose for posting here. If you have > those views they make great conversation among friends and enemy's. They > serve to divide and get your passions up. They make you feel better when > you voice them but they make you feel better at the expense of others. > > When people feel they must stand out from the crowd and feel superior there > are two ways they typically go about that. The first is to proclaim they > have a better way or they have the answer or they are faster, smarter, > richer or prettier than others. That of course is kind of grade school > stuff. The other is to knock everyone else around them down by insulting, > degrading, declaring the other person is wrong, ugly, stupid or even of the > wrong race, religion or political party. I'll take the first any time. By > declaring that you have a great idea and then trying to get people to join > you in a positive manner to support you will unite people not divide them. > When you divide them you will always reduce your chances for success even if > it turns out were right. > > I have not seen a single posting declaring those who believe in abortion, > human cloning, abortive stem cell research as evil people who will be the > downfall of all mankind. I don't recall seeing any posts declaring > President Clinton as the immoral scourge of the universe. Not one... Yet it > seems we seek people with different beliefs out and declare them the source > of our suffering. This does not serve to unite it serves to divide and > declare them as unwanted and unworthy of our caring. Gandhi, Christ, Mother > Theresa, Buddha, the Pope, John F Kennedy and Martin Luther King would never > act in a way that served to divide and degrade. Each of these great > leaders brought messages of hope unity and a better life for all. They all > recognized that to move forward they had to provide examples of leadership > that would raise them above the crowd and bring the crowd with them not tear > down the crowd around them. They took unpopular chances and made a > difference for all. They tried to bring everyone with them as they rose > above the crowd. > > Peace and love to all. > > Frank > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn