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At 06:48 PM 3/9/2004, you wrote: >This is exactly what happens when politics is introduced on the list. >You have >pro and con on both sides, and I have seen Bush slammed more times than >I can count by "editorializing" here on this list. Now, when folks >point to Kerry, >since they are running "against" each other, all hell will break loose, >both on >mainstream programming on the news you and I see every day, and on this >list. > I'm Sorry , I dont think "all Hell Broke from my few Comments > >This list will self destruct if political and religious >arguments/debate/editorialization is allowed. We must get a handle on >this _*NOW,*_ >since there is 8 months left before the next election. I joined the >list because >of its members, and it was virtually absent of politics and other issues >that >divide and cause heated unhealthy arguments. > > From the VERY BEGIINNING, on this list, I have been very open on >saying that this was NOT the place to post political view points. > >The only person that has been very good at posting relevant PD articles here >on this list that points to shortcomings of the current administration >is Murray. >Everyone else (including myself, albeit very restrained), has had to put in >a slam, slant, or self-prescribed editorial. > >Murray posts the article in entirety, WITHOUT editorial comments common to >other folks that post. This is very commendable on Murrays part. I >cannot tell >you how valuable this type of posting is, and if everyone followed Murray's >example, we would all be better for it. > >We really truly need to use constraint, and keep this list as it once was. >I sincerely fear that we are going down a bad path here, as you can see >by the current threads. > >If you actually count the negative slams against the current administrations >and then count the negative ones on the current competitior for the same >office, you will see that the Bush Slams far out number the Kerry >Slams....... > >I say we DON"T SLAM anyone, but post relevant aritcles so folks can >write their local represenatives. > >My two cents: >Jeff Bayard. > > >David Moreland wrote: > >>Do we have a double standard or what, its not alright to say any thing >>that anyone might say that would be at all negative regarding George >>W but we have an open season on John Kerry . I think that is just as >>distasteful. Now if John Kerry had done or said something relating to >>stem cell research or other issues of relevance to PWP >> >> >>At 03:59 AM 3/7/2004, you wrote: >> >>>Kerry is not gettng my vote, this is just one of the reasons. Thanks >>>for speaking up, Tomberline. >>>I am a vet too, and not many vets like the guy. >>>Jeff >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>tomberdine wrote: >>> >>>>Sen. Kerry, the "noble statesman" and "highly decorated Vietnam vet" of >>>>today, is a far cry from Kerry, the radical, hippie-like leader of >>>>Vietnam >>>>Veterans Against the War (VVAW) in the early 1970s. >>>> >>>>Soon after Kerry, as a Navy Lieutenant (junior grade) commanding a >>>>Swift >>>>boat in Vietnam, was awarded the Silver Star, he used an obscure Navy >>>>regulation to leave Vietnam and his crew before completing his tour >>>>of duty. >>>> >>>>After returning home, he quit the Navy early and changed the color >>>>of his >>>>politics to become a leader of VVAW. Kerry wasted no time organizing >>>>opposition in the United States against the efforts of his former >>>>buddies >>>>still ducking communist bullets back in Vietnam. >>>> >>>>Kerry participated in the so-called Winter Soldier Investigation >>>>where his >>>>fellow protesters accused his fellow GIs of war crimes. >>>> >>>>Kerry's betrayal of American prisoners of war, his blatant >>>>disrespect for >>>>the families of our missing in action, Vietnam veterans, the >>>>military, his >>>>support for communist Vietnam and his waffling over the issue of use of >>>>force in Iraq proves he is a self promoting Chameleon Senator who >>>>cannot be >>>>relied on to protect the best interests of the United States. >>>> >>>>Although Kerry voted to support military intervention in Iraq he is now >>>>claiming that he only approved the threat of force by the United >>>>States. >>>> >>>>The Constitution for the United States of America declares: "The >>>>President >>>>shall be Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy of the United >>>>States, and >>>>of the militia of the several States when called into the actual >>>>service of >>>>the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the >>>>principal >>>>officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject >>>>relating to >>>>the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to >>>>grant >>>>reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in >>>>cases of impeachment." >>>> >>>>Read the following and decide for yourself if you trust this man to >>>>be our >>>>Commander-in-Chief. >>>> >>>>Young John Forbes Kerry grew up well connected in the upper-class >>>>due to his >>>>Forbes and Winthrop roots. >>>> >>>>After training, Kerry volunteered for Vietnam. He served a relatively >>>>uneventful six months, far removed from combat, from December 1967 >>>>to June >>>>1968, in the electrical department aboard the USS Gridley, a >>>>guided-missile >>>>frigate that supported aircraft carriers in the Gulf of Tonkin. >>>> >>>>His ship returned to its Long Beach, Calif., port on June 6, 1968. Five >>>>months later, Kerry went back to Vietnam, securing an assignment as >>>>"swift >>>>boat" skipper. >>>> >>>>Kerry commanded his first swift boat, No. 44, from December 1968 >>>>through >>>>January 1969. He received no medals while serving on this craft. >>>> >>>>While in command of Swift Boat 44, Kerry and crew operated without >>>>prudence >>>>in a Free Fire Zone, carelessly firing at targets of opportunity >>>>racking up >>>>a number of enemy kills and some civilians. His body count included-- a >>>>woman, her baby, a 12 year-old boy, an elderly man and several South >>>>Vietnamese soldiers. >>>> >>>>"It is one of those terrible things, and I'll never forget, ever, >>>>the sight >>>>of that child," Kerry later said about the dead baby. "But there was >>>>nothing >>>>that anybody could have done about it. It was the only instance of that >>>>happening." >>>> >>>>Kerry said he was appalled that the Navy's ''free fire zone'' policy in >>>>Vietnam put civilians at such high risk. >>>> >>>>Kerry experienced his first intense combat action on Dec. 2, 1968. >>>>He was >>>>slightly wounded on his arm, earning his first Purple Heart. >>>>In late January 1969, Kerry joined a five-man crew on swift boat No. 94 >>>>completing 18 missions over 48 days, almost all of them in the >>>>Mekong Delta. >>>> >>>>Kerry earned his second Purple Heart after sustaining a minor >>>>shrapnel wound >>>>in his left thigh on Feb. 20, 1969. >>>> >>>>--- >>>>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>>>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>>>Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 2/26/2004 >>>> >>>>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>>>mailto:[log in to unmask] >>>>In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >>>> >>> >>>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>>mailto:[log in to unmask] >>>In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>mailto:[log in to unmask] >>In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] >In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn