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Bob: Your graphic illustration should convince all beyond a shadow of a doubt that a 5 month old fetus is alive. If death really is when all brain function has ceased, then your next illustration should make it clear to all that a 2 month old fetus is alive. Do we know when brain function begins in a fetus? Wendy -----Original Message----- ...The fetus would then be aborted spontaneously (miscarriage) several weeks after the radium treatment. It was considered that passage of this dead fetus through the cancerous cervix might be detrimental to the treatment of the cancer; and so, the accepted treatment (then) was to perform a "mini-C-section" (the fetus was too large to be evacuated by D & C), remove the fetus, and then proceed with the radium implant. I "scrubbed in" on that procedure as an assistant, and when the fetus was removed (it was about 6 inches long and was clearly a human baby in form), it was placed in a tray next to the operating table. It "kicked" for about 15 minutes before it finally died. Physicians, using electroencephalograms and other modern techniques, have arrived at a consensus as to when "death" occurs. So-called "brain death is whan you have irreversible cessation of all brain function. Once this is declared, the human being is dead and organs, tissues, etc. can be "harvested". A 2-month fetus, if attached to an electroencephalograph, has a documentable EEG tracing, thus not "brain dead". essage put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn