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I think the question of what to do with the leftover embryos in clinics is a good example of not thinking things through before doing them. There IS an ethical issue about how to handle these embryos - that is why many couples are on the fence, making NO decision. They don't want any more kids, but they don't feel comfortable destroying the embryo(s). I believe that we have in vitro clinics because people ignored these issues in favor of obtaining what they WANTED, the thought (if they thought about it at all) was probably that they would deal with that decision when the time came (act now, ask questions later). Well, for many, the time has come, and now they are struggling with the consequences of their choice. Because we CAN'T know when life begins (anyone's definition will just be a guess), I feel very hesitant about embryonic stem cell research. However, I also feel strongly that if they are to be destroyed anyway, they may as well "die" for a cause. I actually find the concept of abortion much more difficult than this topic, as the embryos are much further developed. However, there are actually valid considerations on both sides of the abortion issue as well. Wendy -----Original Message----- ... I think the in vitro clinic issue is really important because those embryos, unlike SCNT are the result of fertilization. You know that it often takes more than just one to produce a live birth. So, embryos are being produced and destroyed so that infertile couples can reproduce. Is that OK? If not, what is going to be done with all those extra embryos? Why is this being ignored? AND STILL GOING ON? It seems to me that opponents of both kinds of stem cell research need to deal with this question and they are not doing it. Ray ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn