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What surprises me is that some pro-life followers are ready to kill or blast nurses,doctors or abortion clinics but do nothing for the millions of african and third world creatures (many babies) that are dying of AIDS ,diseases,famine etc . .... in such case they consider these dramas are not for them to be worried about these lives. Most of this drama could be avoided with politics for birth control procedures condemned and opposed by these same followers. Joao Carvalho BA,Brazil FrankandTeri wrote: >Bob is a well respected Medical Doctor who has provided insightful comments >and guidance to this community for some time. He has never tried to impose >his beliefs on others nor suggest that other be excluded from this group. >He on rare occasion respectfully offered an opinion. On those occasions >where his respectful opinion has been posted he has been attacked by the >school yard bullies who perceived he was taking some of the limelight away >from them, after all this is their territory and they will mark each corner >and attack all who would enter and not pay homage. You have to lay down on >your back and be submissive to their dominance. There is no room for >respectful differing of opinions. > >You must be an equal sufferer here and of course we all know some are more >equal than others and no one can possibly suffer as much as a liberal left >winger. If you are a care giver or a healer you are not welcome unless you >line up as a toady behind the schoolyard bullies. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Lee Wu" <[log in to unmask]> >To: <[log in to unmask]> >Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 3:52 AM >Subject: Re: Arguments &PWP > > > > >>Dear Bob, >> I haven't been a recipient of listserv till recently and was >> >> >wondering are you a PWP, or close to someone with P.D. > > >>Your sign off includes your degrees, I'm confused. >>I thought this was a forum for PWP to have their say, so am I wrong in >> >> >assuming this and perhaps you're the mediator? > > >> Lee >> >> >>"Robert A. Fink, M. D." <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>On 22 May 2004 at 17:22, Rayilyn Brown wrote: >> >> >> >>>Not so today, with our Johnny-come-lately to Jesus Commander in Chief >>>leading (from the safety of the Oval Office)his Christian soldiers on >>>to war, albeit not war on disease. >>> >>> >>Do you have to ridicule our president, Ray? You can oppose him without >>degenerating to tactics that were common among sixth-graders when I was >>growing up. >> >> >> >> >> >>>As I recall, there were "moral" objections against organ transplants. >>>I don't believe unscrupulous people are harvesting peoples' organs, >>>yet that was a fear then , like the fear of cloning today. >>> >>> >>Take a look at places like China. Where executed criminals have their >> >> >organs > > >>removed so that the organs can be sold on the black market. This is going >> >> >on > > >>in the West, also, but receives little publicity. A few years ago, a >> >> >couple > > >>purposely had another child so that they could get bone marrow to >> >> >transplant > > >>to their other, ill, child. >> >> >> >> >> >>>This argument is with us, like it or not. The latest research I read >>>about was "Mickey has Two Moms". Scientists have actually produced a >>>mouse from 2 females, also a mouse from 2 males. How do you like them >>>apples? What effect might this have on the gay marriage brouhaha? >>> >>> >>And when we learn how to clone humans, will we be better off? >> >> >> >> >> >>>Science and mice seem to keep changing the world whether we are ready >>>or not. Ray >>> >>> >>The problem is that, although science has made major advances over the >>years, our morality has not yet caught up with some of those advances. It >>took 30-40 years for our morality and politics to "catch up" with the fact >> >> >that > > >>we had developed nuclear weapons (and learn how to control them, at least >>partially); but during those years, we could have easily destroyed this >> >> >planet > > >>and all life thereon. We were lucky. >> >>To allow science to develop without developing a morality to go along with >> >> >it > > >>is deadly. >> >> >>Best, >> >>Bob >> >> >> >>Robert A. Fink, M. D., F.A.C.S., P. 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