Dr. Bob, Thank you, I think you have just cleared up the whole issue in your one sentence. You said, "I would consider the possibility that implantation might be a factor in deciding when human life is fully present." The human cells we are fighting over are not cells that have the prospect of becoming living, breathing humans UNLESS they are implanted in a woman's womb and it's questionable if that would produce a successful pregnancy. To become a living, breathing human being, the right environment is still needed for growth. No one wants to clone a baby which is why we should have laws against reproductive cloning, but let's leave the scientists alone to find relief for the suffering. This should not be a partisan issue... it's a health issue. Nina "Circumstances determine our lives, but we shape our lives by what we make of our circumstances." Nina "Circumstances determine our lives, but we shape our lives by what we make of our circumstances." Sir John Wheeler Bennett, a British historian > -----Original Message----- > From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > On Behalf Of Robert A. Fink, M. D. > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 11:49 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: The (Political) Science of Stem Cells > > On 19 Aug 2004 at 7:08, Ned Gargmer wrote: > > > Dr. Bob: > > > > Then by your definition every woman who has > ever used an IUD has > > committed homicide, > > Yes, although I would consider the possibility that > implantation > might be a factor in deciding when human life is > fully present. > > > > > > > after all sperm and ovum have come together > and then not allowed to > > attach to the uterus. > > > > What should there punishment be? > > I am not advocating punishment. Abortion is legal. > We are debating > morality, not crime. > > > Best, > > Bob > > > > Robert A. Fink, M. D., F.A.C.S. > Professional Corporation > 2500 Milvia Street Suite 222 > Berkeley, California 94704-2636 USA > Phone: 510-849-2555 FAX: 510-849-2557 > WWW: <http://www.rafink.com> > mailto:[log in to unmask] > > "Ex Tristitia Virtus" > > -------------------------------------------------- ----------------- > --- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn