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On 13 Sep 2004 at 12:59, Charles T. Meyer wrote: > >*******On what basis do you believe this, scientific? (I don't think > >there is a scientifc way to determine when the soul enters the body > >or the existance of a soul.) or is it a matter of religious > >doctrine?.Or is there another reason that I haven't thought of? Has nothing to do with religion. When a zygote consisting of human DNA and 48 human chromosomes is formed, it is a human being, plain and simple. One does not need to invoke the concept of a soul. >>Also the Nuremberg Laws discriminated against a >group of living breathing people who by any definition were alive and >most were healthy but all were clearly human beings- not single cells in >a petri dish.<< Those of us who believe that a zygote as described above is a human being would assert that it is indeed, a "living, breathing person". The tissues being used for stem cell research are not composed of a "single cell"; we can't use them that early. >>We with PD are human beings too and deserve a chance at a >healthy complete life or at least research that has the possibility of >leading to a cure. << All human beings "deserve a chance at a healthy complete life", but not at the expense of the lives of other human beings. >>If you needed IVF to conceive a child wouldn't you try it? Then you might have embryos lying around in a petri dish.<< I'm not sure that I would. Had I been unable to conceive a pregnancy in the normal manner, I think that I would have adopted. >>Others may have their own definitions and the Courts have decided (at least for now) that my definition is more or less the LAW.<< That is going to change. Prohibition and male-only suffrage used to be the law, also, and they were changed. Best, Bob ********************************************** Robert A. Fink, M. D., F.A.C.S., P. C. 2500 Milvia Street Suite 222 Berkeley, California 94704-2636 Telephone: 510-849-2555 FAX: 510-849-2557 WWW: http://www.rafink.com/ mailto:[log in to unmask] "Ex Tristitia Virtus" ********************************************* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn