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frank, while you continue to be eloquent and i never have had the pleasure of discussing you or anyone else with john or barbara, i have a couple of my own views to share. 1.no matter what issue you have presented, from my perspective you lecture. 2. there have been so many times that you point out faults in the views of others which appear to me to be exactly what you are doing. that you don't seem to see this is incredible to me. maxine ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn