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clearly, a discussion is not possible as you dig in even more when someone voices beliefs different from your own, dr fink. it must be lovely up there is your exhaulted place of knowing exactly what is right and what is wrong... some of us prefer to think things through, but you could save us a great deal of time...we can just check with you and forget all this awkward thinking for ourselves...or is that the goal? maxine ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn