Tom, I wasn't quite sure I understood what your worry was--I thought
Sandy's post was quite clear, that she was describing the writing
requirements at the two places she knew firsthand in Ontario, both of them
clearly named and both of them clearly not universities. Since I'm
interested in getting information about writing requirements at all
post-secondary institutions in Canada, Sandy's information was helpful. Am
I missing something here? Betsy Sargent
At 02:53 PM 10/31/2004, you wrote:
>No offense. Community colleges are not the same as universities. Both
>structurally and academically, community colleges are different. The fact
>that community colleges cannot grant a formal academic degree (almost all
>the time without affiliation with a university [religious colleges are
>excluded]), it has to do with everything (pure academic aspects and
>quality). Further, the admission requirements of community colleges are
>quite different from
>universities. The topic of English requirements in Ontario universities
>should not and cannot be compared with community colleges. They are
>different in zillions of ways. Tom William
>
>Sandy Dorley wrote:
>
> > At the risk of repeating myself, I'll speak for the writing
> requirements at two Ontario Colleges.
> >
> > At George Brown College in Toronto, the requirement is 3 writing
> courses for MOST programs. The first course is an essay writing course
> (traditional composition course). Technical programs then have two more
> courses--Tech Writing I which focuses on short works (memo, email,
> letter, etc.) and Tech Writing II which focuses on writing the formal
> report. Business students have similar business writing classes in
> place--1 or 2 depending on the program.
> >
> > Students are placed in either remedial or regular composition classes
> by a writing sample and grammar/editing test that they take before the
> start of classes. The second and third classes have no ESL equivilent,
> so students are all lumped together.
> >
> > As usual, some programs choose to ignore either the number of classes
> or co-opt them and have a program member give some job related writing
> instruction. I left there in 2002, and the remedial composition course
> was under fire--many faculty in the programs were trying to eliminate it
> and one of two technical writing courses to make more program courses.
> >
> > At Conestoga College in Kitchener, we have two writing
> streams--technical and business. Again, not all programs have all these
> courses, but most follow this pattern. Business and Social Science
> fields have 2 courses--Professional writing I which concentrates on
> business letter writing, and Professional writing II which teaches the
> formal report. All of the work is done with case studies and has a
> specific slant towards the program field.
> >
> > Technical programs have only 1 course--Effective Technical
> Communications. It teaches technical letters, memos, descriptions, etc.
> but no formal report.And again, the examples are from the technical field
> of the students. It means a lot of subsidizing the work in the texts.
> >
> > We don't really have a true remedial course, but we do add 1 extra hour
> per week to the regular first business course for ESL students or those
> who show a real weakness in writing. Business/social science students
> must give a writing sample before the start of the semester that is used
> to place them in the regular or expanded class.
> >
> > We have no placement in tech writing. All students in the program must
> take the writing class before graduating. We are starting to get a lot
> of second language students, and this course is even more difficult for
> them than the other students.
> >
> > Now with the coming of the 4 year applied degrees, there are some
> changes. We have 3 degrees up and running at Conestoga, and they all
> require technical writing--usually two classes per program. So far, the
> policy is to put 1 or 2 dedicated writing courses in each degree program.
> >
> > Hope this helps, Ginny.
> >
> > Professor Sandy Dorley
> > School of Liberal Studies
> > Conestoga College, Kitchener, ON
> > 519-748-5220 x3819
> > [log in to unmask]
> >
> > >>> [log in to unmask] 10/24/04 02:04PM >>>
> > We'd like to print this in the Inkshed Newsletter if possible. We'd also
> > like to invite responses to the data from all.
> >
> > Roger and Heather Graves, Editors, Inkshed Newsletter
> >
> > Roger Graves,
> > Associate Professor, English
> > DePaul University, Chicago
> > 773-325-1786
> > http://condor.depaul.edu/~rgraves/
> > >>> [log in to unmask] 10/22/04 2:11 PM >>>
> > For what it's worth, there's no requirement at St. Thomas at
> > all.
> >
> > And also for what it's worth, if nobody else starts it I'll try
> > to assemble the postings on this issue so far into a coherent
> > digest (I've done it before, and have a sort of algorithm for
> > editing that kind of thing). Maybe next week.
> >
> > -- Russ
> >
> > On 22 Oct 2004 at 15:45, Virginia Ryan wrote:
> >
> > > Hello again to everyone.
> > >
> > > Earlier this week, Betsy Sargent posted a query to CASLL concerning
> > > English requirements at Canadian colleges and universities. Well, it
> > > turns out that I have an immediate need for the same information, and
> > > I'm hoping that someone from those institutions that haven't already
> > > been represented with responses could please take a few minutes to
> > > respond in kind.
> > >
> > > What Betsy and (now) I need to know is whether your institution has a
> > > specific, cross-the-board English course requirement for graduation or
> > > program-entry purposes, and whether that requirement must be satisfied
> > > by taking "literature", "English", "writing" courses, or some
> > > combination of these.
> > >
> > > So far (I hope I haven't missed any), I've collected responses from
> > > University of Winnipeg, Nova Scotia College of Art and Design,
> > > University College of the Cariboo/Thompson Rivers University, Simon
> > > Fraser University, and Uof T Arts and Science.
> > > Could Inkshedders from Canada's other universities and colleges please
> > > answer, too? It seems there are big changes looming at post-secondary
> > > institutions across the country; better that we be involved in them
> > than
> > > merely informed of them after the fact...
> > >
> > > I thank you all in advance and apologize for "pestering"; I know full
> > > well how busy everyone is at this time of year.
> > >
> > > Ginny Ryan
> > > Memorial University of Newfoundland
> > >
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