Roger invited this. > Rants and Raves > Is there something about the teaching of language and literacy > that just drives you nuts? Come on, we know it drives you nuts > when students come to writing centre appointments without the > assignment. What else is bugging you? I don't know whether it's appropriate for the Newsletter, but I'd really appreciate hearing from Inkshedders who can answer any of the three questions at the end of this . . . A Plague on Both Your Houses I don't know how many Inkshedders there are out there who will have confronted this, either as writers or teachers, but it has become increasingly apparent to me that we're dealing with an industry that wants us to go back to about the fifties in terms of composition theory. Word processors and HTML text editors are increasingly, and inexorably, becoming text display manipulators rather than text processors. Editing something produced in any of the current version is more difficult by a factor of about five than it was five years ago. I've got students creating assignments (lesson plans, essentially) for an eighteenth century literature course, posting them on a Web site so that the rest of the class can read them ahead of the meeting. One of them just posted a page which includes text that doesn't wrap. Text is displayed out two or three hundred characters to the right of the screen. She achieved this, she says, by composing the page in M$Word, and then saving it "as a Web page" -- M$Speak for HTML. This happened at the end of class Monday night, and I casually said, oh, don't bother; I'll copy the file and fix it for you. I spent over an hour yesterday trying to fix it without copying the entire text to a new file and reformatting everything manually in some different editor -- and failed. I can't find the code that means the text wraps in M$Word but not in a browser. I wound up converting the text to plain ASCII and re- introducing the formatting with Netscape Composer. The problem is that the sheer amount of useless code that M$Word pours over the text makes it impossible to edit manually, and also -- and this is my main concern -- really makes it damn near impossible to edit within M$Word itself. Every change you make has amazing, unexpected consequences: there's a bulleted list in the file, for example, and any attempt to modify it simply screws up the formatting entirely. I can't find an editor that doesn't make it damn near impossible for someone who doesn't already know what she's doing -- and can avoid formatting tricks and all the other bells and whistles that the damn programs shove in her face -- to go back and revisit a text in any way other than spell checking. Both Word and WordPerfect, which seem to be the two default word processors around these days, and all the HTML editors available as well (though to a lesser extent), have been migrated to, or have evolved to be, text _display_ editors. It's _all_ about how the text looks. And from my perspective as someone trying to help students learn to write, that makes them all next to useless. When a student wants to produce is not a snappy graphic displayi but a text which can then be revised? I can't find an editor that doesn't make it damn near impossible for someone who doesn't already know what she's doing -- and can avoid formatting tricks and all the other bells and whistles that the damn programs shove in her face -- to go back and revisit a text in any way other than spell checking. We spend half my career getting past surface error fixing as the default mode for editing . . . and Bill Gates & Co. wipe out all that progress in five years of "improving" their word processors. So I guess I have three questions: (1) has anybody else encountered this, or is this just a function of the fact that I'm a fossil and still want text markup to be comprehensible? (2) does anyone know about publications or resources on the migration of word processors toward text display and away from, well, word processing? (3) does anybody know about a program that'll strip out the useless code from a M$Word-created HTML file? (as a plain ascii file the text in question is about 17K; in its full flower, as published to HTML by Word, it's 48K). (By the way, I've tried M$Word's "filtered" HTML and Dreamweaver's HTML cleanup. Neither touch the mess.) </rant> -- Russ St. Thomas University http://www.StThomasU.ca/~hunt/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To leave the list, send a SIGNOFF CASLL command to [log in to unmask] or, if you experience difficulties, write to Russ Hunt at [log in to unmask] For the list archives and information about the organization, its newsletter, and the annual conference, go to http://www.stu.ca/inkshed/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-