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Joseph: Phew, that note was indeed long, but then it is better to have a good description of the symptoms. I agree with you that it may be Parkinson's, but it sounds to me that there is something else as well. There is a relatively easy test for Parkinson's (some say the only reliable one) and that is to take a course of the dopamine medicine. Crudely speaking, if it helps you have Parkinson's. It is somewhat inconclusive because other, related diseases are also helped by dopamine, usually not as dramatically. (for instance there is something called Parkinson's plus). So I would recommend that you see a neurologist, and discuss the possibility of PD (Parkinson's Disease). He will also do a test for "cogwheeling" in which he bends your arm at the elbow back and forth. If the movement is ratchety that is also an indication of PD. There really is no downside to taking the dopamine (in the US Sinemet), and trying it say for two weeks or may be bit longer. If it helps you have an indication and you can choose to continue the medication or not. If it does not, no harm done, and you stop. In general PD is a complicated disease because of the large number of manifestations and changes. In your case stiffness and "pill rolling", the way you described it, suggest PD. The description is less clear on whether you have the "classic" PD tremor, but then PD does not necessarily manifest itself with a tremor. There is PD without a tremor. But you need to establish whether it is PD first (because that sounds to be the most prevalent symptom) and having done that, go after the other symptoms. So go see an good Neurologist. K. F. Etzold cg Carline ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn