In a way, I think that it's almost more appropriate for writing cetnres to help students develop outlines than for them to be consulted on drafts. What I mean is that (from my experience of tutoring) it is easier to assist the student to think through something, when the sentences aren't there prompting the student's attention to proofreading/editing matters instead of larger issues. As a writing teacher, I also use the occasional in-class essay, and I encourage students to consult with me about outlines/plans. We have a rule that students in writing classes should not be going to the writing centre, but working with their professor. It's not a rule we can enforce, mind you, but it's a useful one for a number of reasons. And like Rob, I inspect all "outlines" or notes brought into the class and threaten to confiscate anything which is really a draft. I don't think I've ever had to. Another issue for me is what an "outline" is -- almost never having written a paper to an outline in my life, unless it's making an outline when the writing of one paragraph prompts me to put down where I think I might be going a few paragraphs ahead. I find that many of my students think that an outline is something that comes very early in the process of thinking through the paper, and then complain that they can't write to an outline. If they can think of it as a structure to remind them of all the structuring and thinking and exploratory writing that has already been done, then I think it can be useful. One of my better students last term confessed that she wrote a draft of her essay, extracted an outline from it, and then took the outline into the classroom to re-produce the draft from it. She is one who says that she never could write to an outline in any other way. We talked about my premature outline idea, and she thought that perhaps she had been doing that -- expecting an outline to prescribe where her thinking/writing might go, rather than to describe where she had got in her thinking/writing. If you've read so far, thanks for your patience! Cheers Susan * * * * * * * * * * Susan Drain, Ph.D. Tel: 902 457 6220 Department of English Fax: 902 457 6455 Mount Saint Vincent University [log in to unmask] Halifax, NS Canada B3M 2J6 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To leave the list, send a SIGNOFF CASLL command to [log in to unmask] or, if you experience difficulties, write to Russ Hunt at [log in to unmask] For the list archives and information about the organization, its newsletter, and the annual conference, go to http://www.stu.ca/inkshed/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-