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Rick I do have a ladder that would be long enough but don't know how I could manage to get it out there. Calling 911 would probably be my best option. Also, the "hole" is constantly changing wih the rain. The hole is a lot deeper than the pool is actually going to be. We're expecting 2 more storms here in AZ ,one Fri night and Sun night. I look out doors and see Spike peeking over the edge. He fell in my pool in CA and was always very cautious thereafter (he wouldn't come out at all when I was in it. , but he's curious. The water that was in the hole has now seeped into the ground, but it may be like quicksand. I can just see him or myself disappearing into the mud. Just did 5 min on treadmill to my favorite music, I don't shake when I hear it on treadmill. The computer has really saved my life --- enough tho I can't use it like I once could, I can still get into trouble and communicate with others. Still working on those adaptations. Thanks for the hints ---I can see I need to think outside the "box" Ray ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn