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Moral certainty is the cause of wars, bigotry, intolerance and much suffering. The person who is certain he is right about as yet unanswerable questions is a tremendous obstacle to progress. Education teaches you how much you don't know and defines the boundaries of your knowledge. My education tells me a cell is a cell and there is good reason to call it a cell, not a person. I need to hear some good reasons why a cell is a person to change my mind, not ooh don't name-call. Rayilyn Brown, MA major History. minor Philosophy, UCLA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ned Gardner" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:25 PM Subject: Re: Souls in limbo > Don: > > Moral certainty is always a sign of cultural inferiority. The more > uncivilized the man, the surer he is that he knows precisely what is right > and what is wrong. All human progress, even in morals, has been the work > of > men who have doubted the current moral values, not of men who have whooped > them up and tried to enforce them. The truly civilized man is always > skeptical and tolerant. > -- H. L. Mencken, Minority Report (1956) > > > Ned > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Mckinley" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:32 PM > Subject: Re: Souls in limbo > > >> >> >> -------Original Message------- >> >> From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network >> Date: 03/15/05 02:07:15 >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo >> >> Ned: >> What is "the wrong turn" is just a matter of opinion, not fact, but I >> can see this discussion is leading nowhere, and the problem of finding a >> way to come to consensus continues. :( If you would like to continue >> this discussion, I think we should take it off the list, but I think it >> is a waste of time. >> >> Wendy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ned Gardner >> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 7:28 AM >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo >> >> Wendy: >> >> What would that compromise be? Either we do all that is necessary to >> end PD >> or we continue being led down the path taking all the wrong turns being >> lead by those who's primary symbol they march behind is one of capitol >> punishment. ( the cross ) >> >> Ned >> >> wendy NED WE NEED TO WORK TO GETER WHO IS RIGHT I DON'T KNOW I BEEN >> FIGHTING PD FOR 35 YEARS I DO WHAT IT TAKES TO BEAT IT I DON'T ASK GOD >> TO >> FIGHT IT FOR ME BUT BELIVE IN GOD GOD I DO NOT UNDER STAND WHAT IS THE >> TROUBEL I AASK NO HEL I DO FOR MY SELF BUT AM HEAR TO HELP ANY ONE. THERE >> IS >> NO ONE ON THE PD LIST I HAVE EVER BAD M MOUTH WE HAVE EMAIL TO FOR THAT >> LETS >> HELP EACH OTHER SO EMAIL NOT LIST TO COMPLAIN WE ARE TO HELP ONE AND >> OTHER >> [log in to unmask] Original Message ----- >> From: "Wendy Siegel" <[log in to unmask]> >> To: <[log in to unmask]> >> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:17 PM >> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo >> >> >>> Hi Ned! >>> I understand your point, but I don't know if I agree. I am very much >> an >>> independent thinker, and I find pros and cons to any side. Just >> because >>> I am not in the church at this time in my life doesn't mean that I >> won't >>> be in the future. It is just not something I feel I need at this time, >>> but who knows what tomorrow will bring? I know people whom I admire >> who >>> are in the church, and sometimes even independent thinkers need what >>> being part of a group can provide. There is strength in numbers, and >> if >>> we (PWP) could ever compromise and pursue a common goal, just think >> what >>> could be accomplished! :) >>> >>> Wendy >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network >>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ned Gardner >>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:56 AM >>> To: [log in to unmask] >>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo >>> >>> Wendy: >>> >>> Am I correct when say your independent thinking has led you to not >> join >>> a >>> church, and also have the ability of interpreting the intent of my >>> thought >>> process? >>> >>> Ned >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Wendy Siegel" <[log in to unmask]> >>> To: <[log in to unmask]> >>> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 10:51 AM >>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo >>> >>> >>>> Ned: >>>> Belonging to a church does not preclude someone from being an >>>> independent self informed thinker. One way to effectively communicate >>>> might be to stop calling names and assuming that you are better or >>>> smarter than they are. By the way, I don't belong to a church, but I >>> do >>>> believe in a higher power. >>>> >>>> Wendy >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network >>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ned Gardner >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:02 AM >>>> To: [log in to unmask] >>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo >>>> >>>> Peggy: >>>> Please remember when referring to the "church herd" >>>> it could never include an independent self informed thinker such as >>>> your >>>> self. What are your thoughts on how to effectively >>>> communicate with the church herd. >>>> >>>> Ned >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Peggy Willocks" <[log in to unmask]> >>>> To: <[log in to unmask]> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 9:39 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo >>>> >>>> >>>>> Ned >>>>> >>>>> Please remember when referring to the anti-abortionists as the >>> "church >>>>> herd," that not all of the herd is created equal. I am part of the >>>> church >>>>> herd, but DO NOT agree with the present stand on stem cell usage. >>> And >>>>> regardless of what anybody says, one CAN be pro-life and an advocate >>>> of >>>>> stem >>>>> cells simultaneously. >>>>> >>>>> (See an article done a while back - >>>>> >>>> >>> >> http://www.parkinsons-information-exchange-network-online.com/parkmail1/ >>>> 2003c/msg00091.html ) >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> Peggy >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Ned Gardner >>>>> To: [log in to unmask] >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 11:03 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rayilynlee: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The church herd would rather see aborted material go straight to the >>>>> incinerator rather than used for any stem cell research. You see >>> this >>>>> deprives the woman of any >>>>> >>>>> possibility of feeling that something good can come from >>>>> >>>>> her choice. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ned >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "rayilynlee" <[log in to unmask]> >>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]> >>>>> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:54 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Dee >>>>>> These same people are also doing other evil things besides opposing >>>> ESCR >>>>>> and >>>>>> NT. I tell you we are entering a terrible period of history. >>>>>> Ray >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Dolores Buente" <[log in to unmask]> >>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 7:53 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Jennifer, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I share in your frustration. It seems that we are living through >>> an >>>>>>> important chapter in medical and moral history. Later, when this >>>> period >>>>>>> is recorded, >>>>>>> it will likely be compared to past practices and beliefs such as >>> the >>>>>>> Salem >>>>>>> witch hunts and the persecution of people who were labeled >> heretics >>>>>>> because they >>>>>>> declared that the world is round. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> History shows us that it often takes much effort and bravery to >>>> advance >>>>>>> society forward. Look back at the struggle of individuals who >>> fought >>>> for >>>>>>> the right >>>>>>> of family planning. They faced the wrath of those people and >>>>>>> institutions >>>>>>> who declared it sinful to practice birth control. 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