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Wendy - So well put. I think sometimes, it's not WHAT is said, as much as the WAY it is said. I'm willing to discuss anything that is presented in an intelligent, forthright message, but not if it sounds like it's being pushed down my throat. Ray always has done good work with her letters to officials, etc., and some very good ideas, and when they are presented right, will go far to help the PD world. Best to you. Jo Ann On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:48:40 -0600 Wendy Siegel <[log in to unmask]> writes: > Ray: > I might be wrong, but I don't think it is the subject - I think it > is > the anger that it produces on both sides of the issue. If people > could > discuss the subject logically without name calling and flaming, I > think > it would be a good idea to discuss. However, I don't think that is > possible. I understand the emotions behind both sides, but if people > don't put that aside, the focus will always be the anger, not the > issue. > Anyway, that is my opinion - I'm sure others will disagree! :) > > Wendy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of rayilynlee > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:54 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: List discussion > > you know, it's really too bad we can't discuss the politics of > stem > cell research on this list. If not here, where? This is one issue > that > really affects me personally,, unlike the war, gay marriage, etc. > > Seems from one of Diane's posts some substantial progress with > stem > cells > has been done in Scotland. > It's not going to be easy going there for help and being jailed > and > fined > if certain legislators have their way, when I return. This > presents > a > real financial problem. > Ray > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ned Gardner" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 2:43 PM > Subject: Re: Souls in limbo > > > > Don: > > Apparently your intolerance of my opinion will preclude further > discussion > > here. > > > > Not wanting to brawl. > > > > Ned > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Don Mckinley" <[log in to unmask]> > > To: <[log in to unmask]> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:32 PM > > Subject: Re: Souls in limbo > > > > > >> > >> > >> -------Original Message------- > >> > >> From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network > >> Date: 03/15/05 02:07:15 > >> To: [log in to unmask] > >> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo > >> > >> Ned: > >> What is "the wrong turn" is just a matter of opinion, not fact, > but I > >> can see this discussion is leading nowhere, and the problem of > finding a > >> way to come to consensus continues. :( If you would like to > continue > >> this discussion, I think we should take it off the list, but I > think > it > >> is a waste of time. > >> > >> Wendy > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network > >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ned Gardner > >> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 7:28 AM > >> To: [log in to unmask] > >> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo > >> > >> Wendy: > >> > >> What would that compromise be? Either we do all that is > necessary to > >> end PD > >> or we continue being led down the path taking all the wrong > turns > being > >> lead by those who's primary symbol they march behind is one of > capitol > >> punishment. ( the cross ) > >> > >> Ned > >> > >> wendy NED WE NEED TO WORK TO GETER WHO IS RIGHT I DON'T KNOW I > BEEN > >> FIGHTING PD FOR 35 YEARS I DO WHAT IT TAKES TO BEAT IT I DON'T > ASK > GOD > >> TO > >> FIGHT IT FOR ME BUT BELIVE IN GOD GOD I DO NOT UNDER STAND WHAT > IS > THE > >> TROUBEL I AASK NO HEL I DO FOR MY SELF BUT AM HEAR TO HELP ANY > ONE. > THERE > >> IS > >> NO ONE ON THE PD LIST I HAVE EVER BAD M MOUTH WE HAVE EMAIL TO > FOR > THAT > >> LETS > >> HELP EACH OTHER SO EMAIL NOT LIST TO COMPLAIN WE ARE TO HELP ONE > AND > >> OTHER > >> [log in to unmask] Original Message ----- > >> From: "Wendy Siegel" <[log in to unmask]> > >> To: <[log in to unmask]> > >> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:17 PM > >> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo > >> > >> > >>> Hi Ned! > >>> I understand your point, but I don't know if I agree. I am very > much > >> an > >>> independent thinker, and I find pros and cons to any side. Just > >> because > >>> I am not in the church at this time in my life doesn't mean that > I > >> won't > >>> be in the future. It is just not something I feel I need at this > time, > >>> but who knows what tomorrow will bring? I know people whom I > admire > >> who > >>> are in the church, and sometimes even independent thinkers need > what > >>> being part of a group can provide. There is strength in numbers, > and > >> if > >>> we (PWP) could ever compromise and pursue a common goal, just > think > >> what > >>> could be accomplished! :) > >>> > >>> Wendy > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network > >>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ned Gardner > >>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:56 AM > >>> To: [log in to unmask] > >>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo > >>> > >>> Wendy: > >>> > >>> Am I correct when say your independent thinking has led you to > not > >> join > >>> a > >>> church, and also have the ability of interpreting the intent of > my > >>> thought > >>> process? > >>> > >>> Ned > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Wendy Siegel" <[log in to unmask]> > >>> To: <[log in to unmask]> > >>> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 10:51 AM > >>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo > >>> > >>> > >>>> Ned: > >>>> Belonging to a church does not preclude someone from being an > >>>> independent self informed thinker. One way to effectively > communicate > >>>> might be to stop calling names and assuming that you are better > or > >>>> smarter than they are. By the way, I don't belong to a church, > but > I > >>> do > >>>> believe in a higher power. > >>>> > >>>> Wendy > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network > >>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ned Gardner > >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:02 AM > >>>> To: [log in to unmask] > >>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo > >>>> > >>>> Peggy: > >>>> Please remember when referring to the "church herd" > >>>> it could never include an independent self informed thinker > such > as > >>>> your > >>>> self. What are your thoughts on how to effectively > >>>> communicate with the church herd. > >>>> > >>>> Ned > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "Peggy Willocks" <[log in to unmask]> > >>>> To: <[log in to unmask]> > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 9:39 AM > >>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Ned > >>>>> > >>>>> Please remember when referring to the anti-abortionists as the > >>> "church > >>>>> herd," that not all of the herd is created equal. I am part > of > the > >>>> church > >>>>> herd, but DO NOT agree with the present stand on stem cell > usage. > >>> And > >>>>> regardless of what anybody says, one CAN be pro-life and an > advocate > >>>> of > >>>>> stem > >>>>> cells simultaneously. > >>>>> > >>>>> (See an article done a while back - > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://www.parkinsons-information-exchange-network-online.com/parkmail1/ > >>>> 2003c/msg00091.html ) > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks. > >>>>> > >>>>> Peggy > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: Ned Gardner > >>>>> To: [log in to unmask] > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 11:03 AM > >>>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Rayilynlee: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> The church herd would rather see aborted material go straight > to > the > >>>>> incinerator rather than used for any stem cell research. You > see > >>> this > >>>>> deprives the woman of any > >>>>> > >>>>> possibility of feeling that something good can come from > >>>>> > >>>>> her choice. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Ned > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: "rayilynlee" <[log in to unmask]> > >>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]> > >>>>> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:54 PM > >>>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Dee > >>>>>> These same people are also doing other evil things besides > opposing > >>>> ESCR > >>>>>> and > >>>>>> NT. I tell you we are entering a terrible period of history. > >>>>>> Ray > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>> From: "Dolores Buente" <[log in to unmask]> > >>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]> > >>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 7:53 AM > >>>>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear Jennifer, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I share in your frustration. It seems that we are living > through > >>> an > >>>>>>> important chapter in medical and moral history. Later, when > this > >>>> period > >>>>>>> is recorded, > >>>>>>> it will likely be compared to past practices and beliefs > such as > >>> the > >>>>>>> Salem > >>>>>>> witch hunts and the persecution of people who were labeled > >> heretics > >>>>>>> because they > >>>>>>> declared that the world is round. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> History shows us that it often takes much effort and bravery > to > >>>> advance > >>>>>>> society forward. Look back at the struggle of individuals > who > >>> fought > >>>> for > >>>>>>> the right > >>>>>>> of family planning. They faced the wrath of those people > and > >>>>>>> institutions > >>>>>>> who declared it sinful to practice birth control. The same > people > >>>> and > >>>>>>> institutions who today declare it sinful to use cells in a > petrii > >>>> dish > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>> alleviate > >>>>>>> pain and suffering. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dee > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > >>>>>>> mailto:[log in to unmask] > >>>>>>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > >>>>>> mailto:[log in to unmask] > >>>>>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > >>>>> mailto:[log in to unmask] > >>>>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > >>>>> mailto:[log in to unmask] > >>>>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > >>>> > >>>> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > >>>> mailto:[log in to unmask] > >>>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > >>>> > >>>> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > >>>> mailto:[log in to unmask] > >>>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > >>> > >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > >>> mailto:[log in to unmask] > >>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > >>> > >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > >>> mailto:[log in to unmask] > >>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > >> mailto:[log in to unmask] > >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > >> mailto:[log in to unmask] > >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > >> mailto:[log in to unmask] > >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > >> > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > > mailto:[log in to unmask] > > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn