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Can you please remove me from the list. Thank you very much for the information. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ned Gardner" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 12:52 PM Subject: Re: Moral certainty > When a curative treatment for PD is ready for our use, will those with > moral certainty > against it's development, also be the ones who decline treatment with > the > same moral certainty? > > A cure is on the way, but not from the U.S.A. > > I just hope we get this importation of drugs > thing worked worked out in time. > > > Ned > > This just in ...... > > Lions 3 > Christians 2 > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rayilynlee" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:11 PM > Subject: Re: Moral certainty > > >> Moral certainty is the cause of wars, bigotry, intolerance and much >> suffering. The person who is certain he is right about as yet >> unanswerable questions is a tremendous obstacle to progress. Education >> teaches you how much you don't know and defines the boundaries of >> your >> knowledge. >> >> My education tells me a cell is a cell and there is good reason to >> call >> it a cell, not a person. I need to hear some good reasons why a cell >> is >> a person to change my mind, not ooh don't name-call. >> >> Rayilyn Brown, MA major History. minor Philosophy, UCLA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ned Gardner" <[log in to unmask]> >> To: <[log in to unmask]> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:25 PM >> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo >> >> >>> Don: >>> >>> Moral certainty is always a sign of cultural inferiority. The more >>> uncivilized the man, the surer he is that he knows precisely what is >>> right >>> and what is wrong. All human progress, even in morals, has been the work >>> of >>> men who have doubted the current moral values, not of men who have >>> whooped >>> them up and tried to enforce them. The truly civilized man is always >>> skeptical and tolerant. >>> -- H. L. Mencken, Minority Report (1956) >>> >>> >>> Ned >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Don Mckinley" <[log in to unmask]> >>> To: <[log in to unmask]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:32 PM >>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------Original Message------- >>>> >>>> From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network >>>> Date: 03/15/05 02:07:15 >>>> To: [log in to unmask] >>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo >>>> >>>> Ned: >>>> What is "the wrong turn" is just a matter of opinion, not fact, but I >>>> can see this discussion is leading nowhere, and the problem of finding >>>> a >>>> way to come to consensus continues. :( If you would like to continue >>>> this discussion, I think we should take it off the list, but I think it >>>> is a waste of time. >>>> >>>> Wendy >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network >>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ned Gardner >>>> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 7:28 AM >>>> To: [log in to unmask] >>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo >>>> >>>> Wendy: >>>> >>>> What would that compromise be? Either we do all that is necessary to >>>> end PD >>>> or we continue being led down the path taking all the wrong turns >>>> being >>>> lead by those who's primary symbol they march behind is one of capitol >>>> punishment. ( the cross ) >>>> >>>> Ned >>>> >>>> wendy NED WE NEED TO WORK TO GETER WHO IS RIGHT I DON'T KNOW I BEEN >>>> FIGHTING PD FOR 35 YEARS I DO WHAT IT TAKES TO BEAT IT I DON'T ASK >>>> GOD >>>> TO >>>> FIGHT IT FOR ME BUT BELIVE IN GOD GOD I DO NOT UNDER STAND WHAT IS THE >>>> TROUBEL I AASK NO HEL I DO FOR MY SELF BUT AM HEAR TO HELP ANY ONE. >>>> THERE >>>> IS >>>> NO ONE ON THE PD LIST I HAVE EVER BAD M MOUTH WE HAVE EMAIL TO FOR THAT >>>> LETS >>>> HELP EACH OTHER SO EMAIL NOT LIST TO COMPLAIN WE ARE TO HELP ONE AND >>>> OTHER >>>> [log in to unmask] Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Wendy Siegel" <[log in to unmask]> >>>> To: <[log in to unmask]> >>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:17 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Ned! >>>>> I understand your point, but I don't know if I agree. I am very much >>>> an >>>>> independent thinker, and I find pros and cons to any side. Just >>>> because >>>>> I am not in the church at this time in my life doesn't mean that I >>>> won't >>>>> be in the future. It is just not something I feel I need at this time, >>>>> but who knows what tomorrow will bring? I know people whom I admire >>>> who >>>>> are in the church, and sometimes even independent thinkers need what >>>>> being part of a group can provide. There is strength in numbers, and >>>> if >>>>> we (PWP) could ever compromise and pursue a common goal, just think >>>> what >>>>> could be accomplished! :) >>>>> >>>>> Wendy >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network >>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ned Gardner >>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:56 AM >>>>> To: [log in to unmask] >>>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo >>>>> >>>>> Wendy: >>>>> >>>>> Am I correct when say your independent thinking has led you to not >>>> join >>>>> a >>>>> church, and also have the ability of interpreting the intent of my >>>>> thought >>>>> process? >>>>> >>>>> Ned >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Wendy Siegel" <[log in to unmask]> >>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]> >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 10:51 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Ned: >>>>>> Belonging to a church does not preclude someone from being an >>>>>> independent self informed thinker. One way to effectively communicate >>>>>> might be to stop calling names and assuming that you are better or >>>>>> smarter than they are. By the way, I don't belong to a church, but I >>>>> do >>>>>> believe in a higher power. >>>>>> >>>>>> Wendy >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network >>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ned Gardner >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:02 AM >>>>>> To: [log in to unmask] >>>>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo >>>>>> >>>>>> Peggy: >>>>>> Please remember when referring to the "church herd" >>>>>> it could never include an independent self informed thinker such as >>>>>> your >>>>>> self. What are your thoughts on how to effectively >>>>>> communicate with the church herd. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ned >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Peggy Willocks" <[log in to unmask]> >>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 9:39 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Ned >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please remember when referring to the anti-abortionists as the >>>>> "church >>>>>>> herd," that not all of the herd is created equal. I am part of the >>>>>> church >>>>>>> herd, but DO NOT agree with the present stand on stem cell usage. >>>>> And >>>>>>> regardless of what anybody says, one CAN be pro-life and an advocate >>>>>> of >>>>>>> stem >>>>>>> cells simultaneously. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (See an article done a while back - >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> http://www.parkinsons-information-exchange-network-online.com/parkmail1/ >>>>>> 2003c/msg00091.html ) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Peggy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: Ned Gardner >>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask] >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 11:03 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rayilynlee: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The church herd would rather see aborted material go straight to the >>>>>>> incinerator rather than used for any stem cell research. You see >>>>> this >>>>>>> deprives the woman of any >>>>>>> >>>>>>> possibility of feeling that something good can come from >>>>>>> >>>>>>> her choice. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ned >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "rayilynlee" <[log in to unmask]> >>>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:54 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dee >>>>>>>> These same people are also doing other evil things besides opposing >>>>>> ESCR >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> NT. I tell you we are entering a terrible period of history. >>>>>>>> Ray >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Dolores Buente" <[log in to unmask]> >>>>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]> >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 7:53 AM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Jennifer, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I share in your frustration. It seems that we are living through >>>>> an >>>>>>>>> important chapter in medical and moral history. Later, when this >>>>>> period >>>>>>>>> is recorded, >>>>>>>>> it will likely be compared to past practices and beliefs such as >>>>> the >>>>>>>>> Salem >>>>>>>>> witch hunts and the persecution of people who were labeled >>>> heretics >>>>>>>>> because they >>>>>>>>> declared that the world is round. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> History shows us that it often takes much effort and bravery to >>>>>> advance >>>>>>>>> society forward. Look back at the struggle of individuals who >>>>> fought >>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> the right >>>>>>>>> of family planning. They faced the wrath of those people and >>>>>>>>> institutions >>>>>>>>> who declared it sinful to practice birth control. The same people >>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> institutions who today declare it sinful to use cells in a petrii >>>>>> dish >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> alleviate >>>>>>>>> pain and suffering. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dee >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>>>>>>>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>>>>>>>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>>>>>>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>>>>>>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>>>>>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>>>>>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>>>>>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>>>>>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>>>>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>>>>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>>>>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>>>>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>>>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>>>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>>>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>>>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >>>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn