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Hey Wendy Thanks for taking it offline. I don't think we'll get people to agree on this completely, every issue is debated forever even once most people think it is settled -- there are probably people out there that still think we shouldn't have kicked the British out! I think Peggy's email was really informative, it sounds like there's a large number of people out there that think ESCR is grinding up 3rd trimester fetuses and might not be opposed if they knew these cells will be destroyed if they don't go to research that could help millions of people (actually billions when all is said and done). A little information could go a long way. -A On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 01:05:15 -0600, Wendy Siegel <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Ned: > What is "the wrong turn" is just a matter of opinion, not fact, but I > can see this discussion is leading nowhere, and the problem of finding a > way to come to consensus continues. :( If you would like to continue > this discussion, I think we should take it off the list, but I think it > is a waste of time. > > Wendy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ned Gardner > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 7:28 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Souls in limbo > > Wendy: > > What would that compromise be? Either we do all that is necessary to > end PD > or we continue being led down the path taking all the wrong turns being > lead by those who's primary symbol they march behind is one of capitol > punishment. ( the cross ) > > Ned > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wendy Siegel" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:17 PM > Subject: Re: Souls in limbo > > > Hi Ned! > > I understand your point, but I don't know if I agree. I am very much > an > > independent thinker, and I find pros and cons to any side. Just > because > > I am not in the church at this time in my life doesn't mean that I > won't > > be in the future. It is just not something I feel I need at this time, > > but who knows what tomorrow will bring? I know people whom I admire > who > > are in the church, and sometimes even independent thinkers need what > > being part of a group can provide. There is strength in numbers, and > if > > we (PWP) could ever compromise and pursue a common goal, just think > what > > could be accomplished! :) > > > > Wendy > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ned Gardner > > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:56 AM > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: Souls in limbo > > > > Wendy: > > > > Am I correct when say your independent thinking has led you to not > join > > a > > church, and also have the ability of interpreting the intent of my > > thought > > process? > > > > Ned > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Wendy Siegel" <[log in to unmask]> > > To: <[log in to unmask]> > > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 10:51 AM > > Subject: Re: Souls in limbo > > > > > >> Ned: > >> Belonging to a church does not preclude someone from being an > >> independent self informed thinker. One way to effectively communicate > >> might be to stop calling names and assuming that you are better or > >> smarter than they are. By the way, I don't belong to a church, but I > > do > >> believe in a higher power. > >> > >> Wendy > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network > >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ned Gardner > >> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:02 AM > >> To: [log in to unmask] > >> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo > >> > >> Peggy: > >> Please remember when referring to the "church herd" > >> it could never include an independent self informed thinker such as > >> your > >> self. What are your thoughts on how to effectively > >> communicate with the church herd. > >> > >> Ned > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Peggy Willocks" <[log in to unmask]> > >> To: <[log in to unmask]> > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 9:39 AM > >> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo > >> > >> > >>> Ned > >>> > >>> Please remember when referring to the anti-abortionists as the > > "church > >>> herd," that not all of the herd is created equal. I am part of the > >> church > >>> herd, but DO NOT agree with the present stand on stem cell usage. > > And > >>> regardless of what anybody says, one CAN be pro-life and an advocate > >> of > >>> stem > >>> cells simultaneously. > >>> > >>> (See an article done a while back - > >>> > >> > > > http://www.parkinsons-information-exchange-network-online.com/parkmail1/ > >> 2003c/msg00091.html ) > >>> > >>> Thanks. > >>> > >>> Peggy > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: Ned Gardner > >>> To: [log in to unmask] > >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 11:03 AM > >>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo > >>> > >>> > >>> Rayilynlee: > >>> > >>> > >>> The church herd would rather see aborted material go straight to the > >>> incinerator rather than used for any stem cell research. You see > > this > >>> deprives the woman of any > >>> > >>> possibility of feeling that something good can come from > >>> > >>> her choice. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Ned > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "rayilynlee" <[log in to unmask]> > >>> To: <[log in to unmask]> > >>> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:54 PM > >>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo > >>> > >>> > >>>> Dee > >>>> These same people are also doing other evil things besides opposing > >> ESCR > >>>> and > >>>> NT. I tell you we are entering a terrible period of history. > >>>> Ray > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "Dolores Buente" <[log in to unmask]> > >>>> To: <[log in to unmask]> > >>>> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 7:53 AM > >>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Dear Jennifer, > >>>>> > >>>>> I share in your frustration. It seems that we are living through > > an > >>>>> important chapter in medical and moral history. Later, when this > >> period > >>>>> is recorded, > >>>>> it will likely be compared to past practices and beliefs such as > > the > >>>>> Salem > >>>>> witch hunts and the persecution of people who were labeled > heretics > >>>>> because they > >>>>> declared that the world is round. > >>>>> > >>>>> History shows us that it often takes much effort and bravery to > >> advance > >>>>> society forward. Look back at the struggle of individuals who > > fought > >> for > >>>>> the right > >>>>> of family planning. They faced the wrath of those people and > >>>>> institutions > >>>>> who declared it sinful to practice birth control. The same people > >> and > >>>>> institutions who today declare it sinful to use cells in a petrii > >> dish > >>>>> to > >>>>> alleviate > >>>>> pain and suffering. > >>>>> > >>>>> Dee > >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > >>>>> mailto:[log in to unmask] > >>>>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > >>>> > >>>> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > >>>> mailto:[log in to unmask] > >>>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > >>> > >>> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > >>> mailto:[log in to unmask] > >>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > >>> > >>> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > >>> mailto:[log in to unmask] > >>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > >> mailto:[log in to unmask] > >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > >> mailto:[log in to unmask] > >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > > mailto:[log in to unmask] > > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > > mailto:[log in to unmask] > > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn