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Hi Ned,

Just a point about importation of drugs:   the controversy going on
now about importation of drugs is not about importing novel, new
drugs.   It revolves around "reimportation" of drugs.

Reimportation is when an american drug is brought back into the US
after being exported to somewhere like Canada.   There are some safety
issues with this (it opens a channel for phoney drugs to get into the
system) but mostly its an issue of revenue for the companies.
 A company may want to sell a drug at a different price in Africa than
in New York and with reimportation this wouldn't be possible -- drugs
destined for Africa would be imported back into the U.S. and sold at
higher prices.   Africans wouldn't get their medicine, companies
wouldn't make money, but New Yorkers would get a good deal and
middlemen would make out like bandits..   The Africa/New York case is
easy to get a grip on, but when drugs are sold cheaply mere miles from
a person's home in Canada, it is much harder to justify limits on
reimportation with odd laws covering elderly people taking bus rides
across the border.

If a Parkinson's drug is invented and passes FDA tests, it will be
perfectly legal to import it into the U.S.

-Archie


On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:52:43 -0600, Ned Gardner <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> When a curative treatment for PD is ready for our use, will those with
> moral  certainty
>  against it's development,  also be the ones who decline  treatment with the
> same  moral  certainty?
>
> A cure is on the way, but not from the U.S.A.
>
> I just hope we get this importation of drugs
> thing worked worked out in time.
>
> Ned
>
> This just in ......
>
> Lions          3
> Christians  2
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rayilynlee" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Moral certainty
>
> > Moral  certainty is the cause  of  wars,  bigotry, intolerance and much
> > suffering.  The person who is  certain  he  is right about as  yet
> > unanswerable  questions is a tremendous obstacle to progress.   Education
> > teaches  you  how much  you don't  know and defines the  boundaries of
> > your
> > knowledge.
> >
> > My education tells me a cell is a cell and there is  good  reason  to call
> > it a cell, not a  person.  I need  to hear some good reasons why  a cell
> > is
> > a  person to change my mind, not ooh  don't  name-call.
> >
> > Rayilyn Brown, MA  major History. minor Philosophy, UCLA
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ned Gardner" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: Souls in limbo
> >
> >
> >> Don:
> >>
> >> Moral certainty is always a sign of cultural inferiority. The more
> >> uncivilized the man, the surer he is that he knows precisely what is
> >> right
> >> and what is wrong. All human progress, even in morals, has been the work
> >> of
> >> men who have doubted the current moral values, not of men who have
> >> whooped
> >> them up and tried to enforce them. The truly civilized man is always
> >> skeptical and tolerant.
> >> -- H. L. Mencken, Minority Report (1956)
> >>
> >>
> >> Ned
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Don Mckinley" <[log in to unmask]>
> >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:32 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -------Original Message-------
> >>>
> >>> From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network
> >>> Date: 03/15/05 02:07:15
> >>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo
> >>>
> >>> Ned:
> >>> What is "the wrong turn" is just a matter of opinion, not fact, but I
> >>> can see this discussion is leading nowhere, and the problem of finding a
> >>> way to come to consensus continues. :( If you would like to continue
> >>> this discussion, I think we should take it off the list, but I think it
> >>> is a waste of time.
> >>>
> >>> Wendy
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network
> >>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ned Gardner
> >>> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 7:28 AM
> >>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo
> >>>
> >>> Wendy:
> >>>
> >>> What would that compromise be?  Either we do all that is necessary to
> >>> end PD
> >>> or we continue  being led down the path taking all the wrong turns being
> >>> lead  by those who's primary symbol they march behind is one of capitol
> >>> punishment.        ( the cross )
> >>>
> >>>  Ned
> >>>
> >>> wendy NED WE NEED TO WORK TO GETER WHO IS RIGHT I DON'T KNOW I BEEN
> >>> FIGHTING PD FOR 35 YEARS I DO WHAT    IT TAKES TO BEAT IT I DON'T ASK
> >>> GOD
> >>> TO
> >>> FIGHT IT FOR ME BUT BELIVE IN GOD GOD I DO NOT UNDER STAND WHAT IS THE
> >>> TROUBEL I AASK NO HEL I DO FOR MY SELF BUT AM HEAR TO HELP ANY ONE.
> >>> THERE
> >>> IS
> >>> NO ONE ON THE PD LIST I HAVE EVER BAD M MOUTH WE HAVE EMAIL TO FOR THAT
> >>> LETS
> >>> HELP EACH OTHER SO EMAIL NOT LIST TO COMPLAIN  WE ARE TO HELP ONE AND
> >>> OTHER
> >>> [log in to unmask] Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Wendy Siegel" <[log in to unmask]>
> >>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:17 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Ned!
> >>>> I understand your point, but I don't know if I agree. I am very much
> >>> an
> >>>> independent thinker, and I find pros and cons to any side. Just
> >>> because
> >>>> I am not in the church at this time in my life doesn't mean that I
> >>> won't
> >>>> be in the future. It is just not something I feel I need at this time,
> >>>> but who knows what tomorrow will bring? I know people whom I admire
> >>> who
> >>>> are in the church, and sometimes even independent thinkers need what
> >>>> being part of a group can provide. There is strength in numbers, and
> >>> if
> >>>> we (PWP) could ever compromise and pursue a common goal, just think
> >>> what
> >>>> could be accomplished! :)
> >>>>
> >>>> Wendy
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network
> >>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ned Gardner
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:56 AM
> >>>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo
> >>>>
> >>>> Wendy:
> >>>>
> >>>> Am I correct when say your independent thinking has led you to not
> >>> join
> >>>> a
> >>>> church, and also have the ability of interpreting  the intent of my
> >>>> thought
> >>>> process?
> >>>>
> >>>> Ned
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Wendy Siegel" <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 10:51 AM
> >>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Ned:
> >>>>> Belonging to a church does not preclude someone from being an
> >>>>> independent self informed thinker. One way to effectively communicate
> >>>>> might be to stop calling names and assuming that you are better or
> >>>>> smarter than they are. By the way, I don't belong to a church, but I
> >>>> do
> >>>>> believe in a higher power.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wendy
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network
> >>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ned Gardner
> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:02 AM
> >>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Peggy:
> >>>>> Please remember when  referring to the "church herd"
> >>>>> it could  never include an independent self informed thinker such as
> >>>>> your
> >>>>> self.   What are your thoughts on how to effectively
> >>>>> communicate with the church herd.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ned
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Peggy Willocks" <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 9:39 AM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Ned
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Please remember when referring to the anti-abortionists as the
> >>>> "church
> >>>>>> herd," that not all of the herd is created equal.  I am part of the
> >>>>> church
> >>>>>> herd, but DO NOT agree with the present stand on stem cell usage.
> >>>> And
> >>>>>> regardless of what anybody says, one CAN be pro-life and an advocate
> >>>>> of
> >>>>>> stem
> >>>>>> cells simultaneously.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> (See an article done a while back -
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>> http://www.parkinsons-information-exchange-network-online.com/parkmail1/
> >>>>> 2003c/msg00091.html )
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Peggy
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>> From: Ned Gardner
> >>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 11:03 AM
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Rayilynlee:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The church herd would rather see aborted material go straight to the
> >>>>>> incinerator rather than used for any stem cell research.  You see
> >>>> this
> >>>>>> deprives the woman of any
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> possibility of feeling that something good can come from
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> her choice.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ned
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>> From: "rayilynlee" <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:54 PM
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Dee
> >>>>>>> These same people are also doing other evil things besides opposing
> >>>>> ESCR
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> NT.  I tell you we are entering a terrible period of history.
> >>>>>>> Ray
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: "Dolores Buente" <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 7:53 AM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Dear Jennifer,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I share in your frustration.  It seems that we are living through
> >>>> an
> >>>>>>>> important chapter in medical and moral history.  Later, when this
> >>>>> period
> >>>>>>>> is recorded,
> >>>>>>>> it will likely be compared to past practices and beliefs such as
> >>>> the
> >>>>>>>> Salem
> >>>>>>>> witch hunts and the persecution of people who were labeled
> >>> heretics
> >>>>>>>> because they
> >>>>>>>> declared that the world is round.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> History shows us that it often takes much effort and bravery to
> >>>>> advance
> >>>>>>>> society forward. Look back at the struggle of individuals who
> >>>> fought
> >>>>> for
> >>>>>>>> the right
> >>>>>>>> of family planning.  They faced the wrath of those people and
> >>>>>>>> institutions
> >>>>>>>> who declared it sinful to practice birth control.  The same people
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> institutions who today declare it sinful to use cells in a petrii
> >>>>> dish
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> alleviate
> >>>>>>>> pain and suffering.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Dee
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
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