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Rick: What is scientific about common sense? By definition it is only common. Science and religion do agree that the end of the "she-bang" will be rather warm. What do you think? Ned ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick McGirr" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 2:13 PM Subject: Re: Moral certainty > As a matter of fact, I take great comfort in the fact that my beliefs > are verifiable, and refutable, through the scientific method (also > known as common sense). There is nothing truly permanent in the > universe, including the whole she-"bang" itself. And that is the true > source of humility. > > Rick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ned Gardner" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 1:59 PM > Subject: Re: Moral certainty > > >> Ray: >> >> Reasonable doubt; moral certainty >> >> >> When one is "beyond doubt" or an issue has been settled "beyond > doubt," it >> means that certainty has been established to such a degree that > there can be >> no question whatsoever of the truth. On almost every question, the > only >> people who claim to be 100% beyond doubt are gods, egotists, and > fanatics. >> Mature people generally allow for the possibility, however slim, > that what >> they Know for Certain may be disproved. >> >> >> >> REASONABLE DOUBT -- ".refers to the degree of certainty required of > a juror >> before he or she can make a legally valid determination of the guilt > of a >> criminal defendant.The term doesn't require that the evidence be so > clear >> that no possibility of error exists; it means that the evidence must > be so >> conclusive that all reasonable doubts are removed from the mind of > the >> ordinary person. See also moral certainty." >> >> "MORAL CERTAINTY -- certainty beyond a reasonable doubt; a > conviction based >> on persuasive reasons and excluding doubts that a contrary > conclusion can >> exit. A juror is said to be morally certain of a fact when he or she > would >> act in reliance upon its truth in matters of greatest importance to > himself >> or herself." >> >> "REASONABLE MAN (OR PERSON) -- a phrase used to denote a > hypothetical person >> who exercises qualities of attention, knowledge, intelligence and > judgment >> that society requires of its members for the protection of their own >> interests and the interests of others." >> >> Ned >> >> From http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_ >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "rayilynlee" <[log in to unmask]> >> To: <[log in to unmask]> >> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:11 PM >> Subject: Re: Moral certainty >> >> >> > Moral certainty is the cause of wars, bigotry, intolerance and > much >> > suffering. The person who is certain he is right about as yet >> > unanswerable questions is a tremendous obstacle to progress. > Education >> > teaches you how much you don't know and defines the > boundaries of >> > your >> > knowledge. >> > >> > My education tells me a cell is a cell and there is good reason > to call >> > it a cell, not a person. I need to hear some good reasons why > a cell >> > is >> > a person to change my mind, not ooh don't name-call. >> > >> > Rayilyn Brown, MA major History. minor Philosophy, UCLA >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Ned Gardner" <[log in to unmask]> >> > To: <[log in to unmask]> >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:25 PM >> > Subject: Re: Souls in limbo >> > >> > >> >> Don: >> >> >> >> Moral certainty is always a sign of cultural inferiority. The > more >> >> uncivilized the man, the surer he is that he knows precisely what > is >> >> right >> >> and what is wrong. All human progress, even in morals, has been > the work >> >> of >> >> men who have doubted the current moral values, not of men who > have >> >> whooped >> >> them up and tried to enforce them. The truly civilized man is > always >> >> skeptical and tolerant. >> >> -- H. L. Mencken, Minority Report (1956) >> >> >> >> >> >> Ned >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Don Mckinley" <[log in to unmask]> >> >> To: <[log in to unmask]> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:32 PM >> >> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn