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Hey, Ned,
Religious discussion is fine.  We do a lot of it, because we have a
lot to talk about.  But even as Rayilyn and Mary Ann continue their
discussion, we remember this is a *support* group.  I would advise
another vehicle if you just want to pick a fight.

If you want to fight somebody, fight the powers that be.

Bible: speck/plank
Rick

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ned Gardner" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: stay out of my death, Mary Ann


> Marry Ann:
>
> Please tell why you  think you could ever make your moral agenda a
priority
> ray Ray.
> To think any one so disposed would attempt
> such, on a physically compromised person like Ray is unconscionable.
>
> Nurse heal thy self.
>
> Ned
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mary Ann Ryan" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: stay out of my death, Mary Ann
>
>
> >> it would be  more than convenient  for ME  if you  would mind
your own
> >> business. Nobody is taking care of me who would be
"inconvenienced" by my
> >> death.
> >>
> > Sorry, Ray.  The law is on my side.  If you insist on attempting
suicide,
> > everyone and anyone has the right to save you.
> >
> > As a nurse I have witnessed the wonderful results of Hospice care.
> > Frequently people get better once Hospice enters the pictures.
I'm sorry
> > that you mom had problems with the Morphine patch - there are a
host of
> > other medications that might have been a better option.
> >
> > At any rate, if you wish that no extraordinary measures be
employed in
> > your
> > case you certainly have the right to make yourself a "No Code"
and/or call
> > in Hospice in order to make sure that your request is followed.
Believe
> > me - they will make sure that no one extra shred of therapy
(including
> > antibiotics) will be utilized to keep you alive - and they will
keep you
> > comfortable while you are dying.
> >
> > You have a way of trying to make policy for not just you, but for
> > everyone.
> > When you stand behind assisted suicide as a policy, I'll challenge
you
> > every
> > time.  There have been way too many abuses in assisted suicide
cases.
> > Don't
> > forget - Kevorkian did his dirty work in my State of Michigan;
practically
> > in my own back yard.  I get the shivers every time I think of that
man.
> > -------------\
> > God bless
> > Mary Ann
> >
>
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