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Rick: If physical fighting were an option for me I would not be here. PD allows it's hosts sometime to contemplate the future and what the unwelcome alliance will bring. I see PIEN as a place to share the individuals thought process along that evolutional journey. These are just ideas that are bounced around here not brick bats. Perhaps PD has muted my ability to make nice chit chat. Ned Powers that be. Abraham Lincoln "The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma." - Abraham Lincoln, American president (1809-1865). Benjamin Franklin "I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies." "Lighthouses are more helpful then churches." -Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor Frank Lloyd Wright "I believe in God, only I spell it Nature." American architect (1869-1959) Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain" "Faith is believing something you know ain't true." "If Christ were here now there is one thing he would not be -- a Christian." "It (the Bible) is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it; and some clever fables; and some blood-drenched history; and some good morals; and a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies." "A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows." Thomas Jefferson "History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose. " - Thomas Jefferson to Baron von Humboldt, 1813 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick McGirr" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 9:47 AM Subject: Re: stay out of my death, Mary Ann > Hey, Ned, > Religious discussion is fine. We do a lot of it, because we have a > lot to talk about. But even as Rayilyn and Mary Ann continue their > discussion, we remember this is a *support* group. I would advise > another vehicle if you just want to pick a fight. > > If you want to fight somebody, fight the powers that be. > > Bible: speck/plank > Rick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ned Gardner" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 10:11 AM > Subject: Re: stay out of my death, Mary Ann > > >> Marry Ann: >> >> Please tell why you think you could ever make your moral agenda a > priority >> ray Ray. >> To think any one so disposed would attempt >> such, on a physically compromised person like Ray is unconscionable. >> >> Nurse heal thy self. >> >> Ned >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mary Ann Ryan" <[log in to unmask]> >> To: <[log in to unmask]> >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 9:30 AM >> Subject: Re: stay out of my death, Mary Ann >> >> >> >> it would be more than convenient for ME if you would mind > your own >> >> business. Nobody is taking care of me who would be > "inconvenienced" by my >> >> death. >> >> >> > Sorry, Ray. The law is on my side. If you insist on attempting > suicide, >> > everyone and anyone has the right to save you. >> > >> > As a nurse I have witnessed the wonderful results of Hospice care. >> > Frequently people get better once Hospice enters the pictures. > I'm sorry >> > that you mom had problems with the Morphine patch - there are a > host of >> > other medications that might have been a better option. >> > >> > At any rate, if you wish that no extraordinary measures be > employed in >> > your >> > case you certainly have the right to make yourself a "No Code" > and/or call >> > in Hospice in order to make sure that your request is followed. > Believe >> > me - they will make sure that no one extra shred of therapy > (including >> > antibiotics) will be utilized to keep you alive - and they will > keep you >> > comfortable while you are dying. >> > >> > You have a way of trying to make policy for not just you, but for >> > everyone. >> > When you stand behind assisted suicide as a policy, I'll challenge > you >> > every >> > time. There have been way too many abuses in assisted suicide > cases. >> > Don't >> > forget - Kevorkian did his dirty work in my State of Michigan; > practically >> > in my own back yard. I get the shivers every time I think of that > man. >> > -------------\ >> > God bless >> > Mary Ann >> > >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- >> > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> > mailto:[log in to unmask] >> > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn