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JoAnn, Unity I'm told is a softer version of Religious Science. Do you read the Daily Word? My paternal grandmother was Unity, maternal was RS,, mother was an atheist. Ray-- Original Message ----- From: "Jo Ann Coen" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:55 PM Subject: Re: Religious Science/Jo Ann > Ray - I helped to start a Unity Church of Christianity in Corpus Christi, > where the minister was a wonderful, understanding lady. However, she > kept losing her female attendees. She finally went to them one by one, > and found out that her husband was almost pushing himself on them. > Needless to say, when she confronted him, he admitted to it, and she > divorced him. How sad that someone, male or female, has to take > advantage of their position. However, when I came back to Houston, I > took turns attending the Unity Church in their Golden Pyramid, and C of > R.E. in their very simple meeting place. I still believe in the concepts > even though I'm now attending another church where I play the piano each > Sunday. Maybe these concepts won't cure anyone, but they make one feel > better about it. As I told Ned one day, negativity kills. Best to you. > You are receiving many nice compliments lately. Jo Ann > > On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:34:46 -0700 rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> > writes: >> JoAnn >> >> I have attended the C of RS once in 1960's and again in 1990's >> after I >> retired from teaching. I studied Science of Mind and think if you >> really >> believe it you can cure yourself Problem is I can't cure my PD. >> The >> lecherous nature of the husband of Reverend Nancy helped turn me >> off. >> >> My very good friend from the church, younger than me died of >> melanoma. >> She was a very spiritual person and just knew the cancer was gone. >> >> I think if you are well its an interesting religion; however I got >> the >> feeling if you were sick you needed to stay away for fear of >> infecting >> others with your wrong thoughts. Rev. Nancy never acknowledged or >> answered >> my questions in class re cystic fibrosis and Alzheimer's. >> Ray >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jo Ann Coen" <[log in to unmask]> >> To: <[log in to unmask]> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 1:15 PM >> Subject: Re: Moral certainty >> >> >> > Rick - Once I attended a seminar conducted by the Church of >> Religious >> > Science, which explained both factors. The speaker said we are >> traveling >> > on this spaceship called Earth. I liked his phraseology and have >> used it >> > often since then in some of my speeches. This particular church >> puts out >> > a monthly magazine called Science of the Mind, and I've subscribed >> to it >> > for decades. It's very interesting how Science and Religion work >> hand in >> > hand. Seeya. Jo Ann >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:44:14 -0500 Rick McGirr >> <[log in to unmask]> >> > writes: >> >> Well... >> >> >> >> In the times when John's Revelation was written, man had no idea >> >> that >> >> we are flying thru space on a tiny speck of dust, on the outer >> arm >> >> of >> >> a spiral galaxy, in a universe that has uncounted millions of >> >> galaxies. Further, his prediction of a fiery conflagration as >> the >> >> last chapter of earth's history will only come true if enough of >> us >> >> believe the story. But if it happens, WWIII on earth will be an >> >> indiscernable blip on the energy scope for most of the universe. >> >> >> >> Science doesn't know much more than John about the end of the >> >> universe. We are like travelers who woke up in the middle of a >> bus >> >> trip to find our bus has busted the guardrail and is airborne. >> >> We're >> >> trying to figure out what happened. But at least we are not >> jumping >> >> to conclusions. >> >> >> >> Is science uncommon? It's becoming moreso in these days of >> >> religious >> >> fervor. But it shouldn't be. People don't know it, but we all >> use >> >> the scientific method several times a day. But there's a point >> at >> >> which people's beliefs get in the way, and the scientific method >> is >> >> abandoned, in order to avoid the pain of discovery. >> >> >> >> I think it is wise to have assumptions, rather than set-in-stone >> >> beliefs. I try, humbly, to live each day based on the >> preponderance >> >> of evidence, to put it clumsily. >> >> >> >> That's a little of what I think. What do you think? >> >> >> >> Enjoy! >> >> Rick McGirr >> >> Email: [log in to unmask] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Ned Gardner" <[log in to unmask]> >> >> To: <[log in to unmask]> >> >> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 5:46 PM >> >> Subject: Re: Moral certainty >> >> >> >> >> >> > Rick: >> >> > >> >> > What is scientific about common sense? >> >> > >> >> > By definition it is only common. >> >> > >> >> > Science and religion do agree that the >> >> > end of the "she-bang" will be rather warm. >> >> > >> >> > What do you think? >> >> > >> >> > Ned >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "Rick McGirr" <[log in to unmask]> >> >> > To: <[log in to unmask]> >> >> > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 2:13 PM >> >> > Subject: Re: Moral certainty >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > As a matter of fact, I take great comfort in the fact that my >> >> beliefs >> >> > > are verifiable, and refutable, through the scientific method >> >> (also >> >> > > known as common sense). There is nothing truly permanent in >> the >> >> > > universe, including the whole she-"bang" itself. And that is >> >> the >> >> true >> >> > > source of humility. >> >> > > >> >> > > Rick >> >> > > >> >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > > From: "Ned Gardner" <[log in to unmask]> >> >> > > To: <[log in to unmask]> >> >> > > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 1:59 PM >> >> > > Subject: Re: Moral certainty >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> Ray: >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Reasonable doubt; moral certainty >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> When one is "beyond doubt" or an issue has been settled >> >> "beyond >> >> > > doubt," it >> >> > >> means that certainty has been established to such a degree >> that >> >> > > there can be >> >> > >> no question whatsoever of the truth. On almost every >> question, >> >> the >> >> > > only >> >> > >> people who claim to be 100% beyond doubt are gods, egotists, >> >> and >> >> > > fanatics. >> >> > >> Mature people generally allow for the possibility, however >> >> slim, >> >> > > that what >> >> > >> they Know for Certain may be disproved. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> REASONABLE DOUBT -- ".refers to the degree of certainty >> >> required >> >> of >> >> > > a juror >> >> > >> before he or she can make a legally valid determination of >> the >> >> guilt >> >> > > of a >> >> > >> criminal defendant.The term doesn't require that the >> evidence >> >> be >> >> so >> >> > > clear >> >> > >> that no possibility of error exists; it means that the >> evidence >> >> must >> >> > > be so >> >> > >> conclusive that all reasonable doubts are removed from the >> mind >> >> of >> >> > > the >> >> > >> ordinary person. See also moral certainty." >> >> > >> >> >> > >> "MORAL CERTAINTY -- certainty beyond a reasonable doubt; a >> >> > > conviction based >> >> > >> on persuasive reasons and excluding doubts that a contrary >> >> > > conclusion can >> >> > >> exit. A juror is said to be morally certain of a fact when >> he >> >> or >> >> she >> >> > > would >> >> > >> act in reliance upon its truth in matters of greatest >> >> importance >> >> to >> >> > > himself >> >> > >> or herself." >> >> > >> >> >> > >> "REASONABLE MAN (OR PERSON) -- a phrase used to denote a >> >> > > hypothetical person >> >> > >> who exercises qualities of attention, knowledge, >> intelligence >> >> and >> >> > > judgment >> >> > >> that society requires of its members for the protection of >> >> their >> >> own >> >> > >> interests and the interests of others." >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Ned >> >> > >> >> >> > >> From http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_ >> >> > >> >> >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > >> From: "rayilynlee" <[log in to unmask]> >> >> > >> To: <[log in to unmask]> >> >> > >> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:11 PM >> >> > >> Subject: Re: Moral certainty >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > Moral certainty is the cause of wars, bigotry, >> >> intolerance >> >> and >> >> > > much >> >> > >> > suffering. The person who is certain he is right about >> as >> >> yet >> >> > >> > unanswerable questions is a tremendous obstacle to >> progress. >> >> > > Education >> >> > >> > teaches you how much you don't know and defines the >> >> > > boundaries of >> >> > >> > your >> >> > >> > knowledge. >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > My education tells me a cell is a cell and there is good >> >> reason >> >> > > to call >> >> > >> > it a cell, not a person. I need to hear some good >> reasons >> >> why >> >> > > a cell >> >> > >> > is >> >> > >> > a person to change my mind, not ooh don't name-call. >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > Rayilyn Brown, MA major History. minor Philosophy, UCLA >> >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > >> > From: "Ned Gardner" <[log in to unmask]> >> >> > >> > To: <[log in to unmask]> >> >> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:25 PM >> >> > >> > Subject: Re: Souls in limbo >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> Don: >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> Moral certainty is always a sign of cultural inferiority. >> >> The >> >> > > more >> >> > >> >> uncivilized the man, the surer he is that he knows >> precisely >> >> what >> >> > > is >> >> > >> >> right >> >> > >> >> and what is wrong. All human progress, even in morals, >> has >> >> been >> >> > > the work >> >> > >> >> of >> >> > >> >> men who have doubted the current moral values, not of men >> >> who >> >> > > have >> >> > >> >> whooped >> >> > >> >> them up and tried to enforce them. The truly civilized >> man >> >> is >> >> > > always >> >> > >> >> skeptical and tolerant. >> >> > >> >> -- H. L. Mencken, Minority Report (1956) >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> Ned >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > >> >> From: "Don Mckinley" <[log in to unmask]> >> >> > >> >> To: <[log in to unmask]> >> >> > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:32 PM >> >> > >> >> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> - >> >> > > -- >> >> > >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> >> > > mailto:[log in to unmask] >> >> > >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> -- >> >> > > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> >> > > mailto:[log in to unmask] >> >> > > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> -- >> >> > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >> >> > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >> >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> >> >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> > mailto:[log in to unmask] >> > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn