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Ray - I used to subscribe to the Daily Word, and got a great deal out of it. But now that I'm playing the piano for a non-denominational church, I let my subscription lapse. Jo Ann On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:12:33 -0700 rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> writes: > JoAnn, Unity I'm told is a softer version of Religious Science. Do > you > read the Daily Word? My paternal grandmother was Unity, maternal > was > RS,, mother was an atheist. > Ray-- Original Message ----- > From: "Jo Ann Coen" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:55 PM > Subject: Re: Religious Science/Jo Ann > > > > Ray - I helped to start a Unity Church of Christianity in Corpus > Christi, > > where the minister was a wonderful, understanding lady. However, > she > > kept losing her female attendees. She finally went to them one by > one, > > and found out that her husband was almost pushing himself on them. > > Needless to say, when she confronted him, he admitted to it, and > she > > divorced him. How sad that someone, male or female, has to take > > advantage of their position. However, when I came back to > Houston, I > > took turns attending the Unity Church in their Golden Pyramid, and > C of > > R.E. in their very simple meeting place. I still believe in the > concepts > > even though I'm now attending another church where I play the > piano each > > Sunday. Maybe these concepts won't cure anyone, but they make > one feel > > better about it. As I told Ned one day, negativity kills. Best > to you. > > You are receiving many nice compliments lately. Jo Ann > > > > On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:34:46 -0700 rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> > > writes: > >> JoAnn > >> > >> I have attended the C of RS once in 1960's and again in 1990's > >> after I > >> retired from teaching. I studied Science of Mind and think if > you > >> really > >> believe it you can cure yourself Problem is I can't cure my PD. > >> The > >> lecherous nature of the husband of Reverend Nancy helped turn me > >> off. > >> > >> My very good friend from the church, younger than me died of > >> melanoma. > >> She was a very spiritual person and just knew the cancer was > gone. > >> > >> I think if you are well its an interesting religion; however I > got > >> the > >> feeling if you were sick you needed to stay away for fear of > >> infecting > >> others with your wrong thoughts. Rev. Nancy never acknowledged > or > >> answered > >> my questions in class re cystic fibrosis and Alzheimer's. > >> Ray > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Jo Ann Coen" <[log in to unmask]> > >> To: <[log in to unmask]> > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 1:15 PM > >> Subject: Re: Moral certainty > >> > >> > >> > Rick - Once I attended a seminar conducted by the Church of > >> Religious > >> > Science, which explained both factors. The speaker said we are > >> traveling > >> > on this spaceship called Earth. I liked his phraseology and > have > >> used it > >> > often since then in some of my speeches. This particular > church > >> puts out > >> > a monthly magazine called Science of the Mind, and I've > subscribed > >> to it > >> > for decades. It's very interesting how Science and Religion > work > >> hand in > >> > hand. Seeya. Jo Ann > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:44:14 -0500 Rick McGirr > >> <[log in to unmask]> > >> > writes: > >> >> Well... > >> >> > >> >> In the times when John's Revelation was written, man had no > idea > >> >> that > >> >> we are flying thru space on a tiny speck of dust, on the outer > >> arm > >> >> of > >> >> a spiral galaxy, in a universe that has uncounted millions of > >> >> galaxies. Further, his prediction of a fiery conflagration as > >> the > >> >> last chapter of earth's history will only come true if enough > of > >> us > >> >> believe the story. But if it happens, WWIII on earth will be > an > >> >> indiscernable blip on the energy scope for most of the > universe. > >> >> > >> >> Science doesn't know much more than John about the end of the > >> >> universe. We are like travelers who woke up in the middle of > a > >> bus > >> >> trip to find our bus has busted the guardrail and is airborne. > >> >> We're > >> >> trying to figure out what happened. But at least we are not > >> jumping > >> >> to conclusions. > >> >> > >> >> Is science uncommon? It's becoming moreso in these days of > >> >> religious > >> >> fervor. But it shouldn't be. People don't know it, but we > all > >> use > >> >> the scientific method several times a day. But there's a > point > >> at > >> >> which people's beliefs get in the way, and the scientific > method > >> is > >> >> abandoned, in order to avoid the pain of discovery. > >> >> > >> >> I think it is wise to have assumptions, rather than > set-in-stone > >> >> beliefs. I try, humbly, to live each day based on the > >> preponderance > >> >> of evidence, to put it clumsily. > >> >> > >> >> That's a little of what I think. What do you think? > >> >> > >> >> Enjoy! > >> >> Rick McGirr > >> >> Email: [log in to unmask] > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Ned Gardner" <[log in to unmask]> > >> >> To: <[log in to unmask]> > >> >> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 5:46 PM > >> >> Subject: Re: Moral certainty > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Rick: > >> >> > > >> >> > What is scientific about common sense? > >> >> > > >> >> > By definition it is only common. > >> >> > > >> >> > Science and religion do agree that the > >> >> > end of the "she-bang" will be rather warm. > >> >> > > >> >> > What do you think? > >> >> > > >> >> > Ned > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> > From: "Rick McGirr" <[log in to unmask]> > >> >> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > >> >> > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 2:13 PM > >> >> > Subject: Re: Moral certainty > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > As a matter of fact, I take great comfort in the fact that > my > >> >> beliefs > >> >> > > are verifiable, and refutable, through the scientific > method > >> >> (also > >> >> > > known as common sense). There is nothing truly permanent > in > >> the > >> >> > > universe, including the whole she-"bang" itself. And that > is > >> >> the > >> >> true > >> >> > > source of humility. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Rick > >> >> > > > >> >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> > > From: "Ned Gardner" <[log in to unmask]> > >> >> > > To: <[log in to unmask]> > >> >> > > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 1:59 PM > >> >> > > Subject: Re: Moral certainty > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> Ray: > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> Reasonable doubt; moral certainty > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> When one is "beyond doubt" or an issue has been settled > >> >> "beyond > >> >> > > doubt," it > >> >> > >> means that certainty has been established to such a > degree > >> that > >> >> > > there can be > >> >> > >> no question whatsoever of the truth. On almost every > >> question, > >> >> the > >> >> > > only > >> >> > >> people who claim to be 100% beyond doubt are gods, > egotists, > >> >> and > >> >> > > fanatics. > >> >> > >> Mature people generally allow for the possibility, > however > >> >> slim, > >> >> > > that what > >> >> > >> they Know for Certain may be disproved. > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> REASONABLE DOUBT -- ".refers to the degree of certainty > >> >> required > >> >> of > >> >> > > a juror > >> >> > >> before he or she can make a legally valid determination > of > >> the > >> >> guilt > >> >> > > of a > >> >> > >> criminal defendant.The term doesn't require that the > >> evidence > >> >> be > >> >> so > >> >> > > clear > >> >> > >> that no possibility of error exists; it means that the > >> evidence > >> >> must > >> >> > > be so > >> >> > >> conclusive that all reasonable doubts are removed from > the > >> mind > >> >> of > >> >> > > the > >> >> > >> ordinary person. See also moral certainty." > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> "MORAL CERTAINTY -- certainty beyond a reasonable doubt; > a > >> >> > > conviction based > >> >> > >> on persuasive reasons and excluding doubts that a > contrary > >> >> > > conclusion can > >> >> > >> exit. A juror is said to be morally certain of a fact > when > >> he > >> >> or > >> >> she > >> >> > > would > >> >> > >> act in reliance upon its truth in matters of greatest > >> >> importance > >> >> to > >> >> > > himself > >> >> > >> or herself." > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> "REASONABLE MAN (OR PERSON) -- a phrase used to denote a > >> >> > > hypothetical person > >> >> > >> who exercises qualities of attention, knowledge, > >> intelligence > >> >> and > >> >> > > judgment > >> >> > >> that society requires of its members for the protection > of > >> >> their > >> >> own > >> >> > >> interests and the interests of others." > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> Ned > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> From http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_ > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> > >> From: "rayilynlee" <[log in to unmask]> > >> >> > >> To: <[log in to unmask]> > >> >> > >> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:11 PM > >> >> > >> Subject: Re: Moral certainty > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > Moral certainty is the cause of wars, bigotry, > >> >> intolerance > >> >> and > >> >> > > much > >> >> > >> > suffering. The person who is certain he is right > about > >> as > >> >> yet > >> >> > >> > unanswerable questions is a tremendous obstacle to > >> progress. > >> >> > > Education > >> >> > >> > teaches you how much you don't know and defines the > >> >> > > boundaries of > >> >> > >> > your > >> >> > >> > knowledge. > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > My education tells me a cell is a cell and there is > good > >> >> reason > >> >> > > to call > >> >> > >> > it a cell, not a person. I need to hear some good > >> reasons > >> >> why > >> >> > > a cell > >> >> > >> > is > >> >> > >> > a person to change my mind, not ooh don't name-call. > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > Rayilyn Brown, MA major History. minor Philosophy, > UCLA > >> >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> > >> > From: "Ned Gardner" <[log in to unmask]> > >> >> > >> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > >> >> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:25 PM > >> >> > >> > Subject: Re: Souls in limbo > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> >> Don: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Moral certainty is always a sign of cultural > inferiority. > >> >> The > >> >> > > more > >> >> > >> >> uncivilized the man, the surer he is that he knows > >> precisely > >> >> what > >> >> > > is > >> >> > >> >> right > >> >> > >> >> and what is wrong. All human progress, even in morals, > >> has > >> >> been > >> >> > > the work > >> >> > >> >> of > >> >> > >> >> men who have doubted the current moral values, not of > men > >> >> who > >> >> > > have > >> >> > >> >> whooped > >> >> > >> >> them up and tried to enforce them. The truly civilized > >> man > >> >> is > >> >> > > always > >> >> > >> >> skeptical and tolerant. > >> >> > >> >> -- H. L. Mencken, Minority Report (1956) > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Ned > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> > >> >> From: "Don Mckinley" <[log in to unmask]> > >> >> > >> >> To: <[log in to unmask]> > >> >> > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:32 PM > >> >> > >> >> Subject: Re: Souls in limbo > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> - > >> >> > > -- > >> >> > >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > >> >> > > mailto:[log in to unmask] > >> >> > >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > >> >> > >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> -- > >> >> > > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > >> >> > > mailto:[log in to unmask] > >> >> > > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> -- > >> >> > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > >> >> mailto:[log in to unmask] > >> >> > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > >> >> mailto:[log in to unmask] > >> >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > >> > mailto:[log in to unmask] > >> > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > >> mailto:[log in to unmask] > >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > >> > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > > mailto:[log in to unmask] > > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn