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Re the medieval view of suffering I do think suffering can change you for the better, but enough is enough. Everybody should have some and recover. My bouts with arterio-venous fistulas and ovarian cancer "ennobled" me, but not PD. It has destroyed any faith I ever had in a loving God. I just fail to understand the purpose. and especially children with cystic fibrosis. What is the purpose of children having their lives destroyed or cut short? I don't think any religion can provide a satisfactory answer to that. The Pope,after all did have a "life" before PD, albeit a difficult one losing his mother, brother and father as a child and teenager. Just saw a great and moving bio on him on PBS last night. I remember when I was in Poland in the early 1980's there were crosses of flowers everywhere, the Catholic Church really was the vehicle of protest against Communism. Also, there were photos of fetuses in the churches. The tragic history of Poland helps you understand this pope. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Thome" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:34 AM Subject: Re: Goodbye and hello? > Barbara, > > I agree with everything you said about The Pope. > > I heard a news report on TV which said that The Pope believed that the > human > experience calls for suffering. > > One could easily postulate that that is true or else God would have > created > us to not be vulnerable to horrific diseases, among them Parkinson's. > > Joe Thome > > -----Original Message----- > From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Barbara Patterson > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 9:19 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Goodbye and hello? > > Just wanted to express my sorrow in the loss of Pope John Paul II. We > have lost a great and a good man who also showed the whole world the > ravages of Parkinson's. I know many don't agree with some of his > opinions (I disagreed with some of them, myself), but I admired him for > his courage and honesty and love for people and for his dedication to > freedom. Hopefully, the pictures of his suffering with Parkinson's, > will inspire people to help find a way to put an end to Parkinson's . > Saying good bye to him brings much sadness but we were fortunate to have > had him for as long as we did. > > On April 16, I hope to have the opportunity to say hello to many of you > at the Unity Walk in New York City. Both John Cottingham and I will be > there and look forward to seeing you. Let us know if you plan to be > there and we'll plan to get together. > > Barbara Patterson > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn