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You keep on believing, Jo Ann.  I believe too, but in my way.  After a
while, what you believe isn't as important as finding common ground to
share and build on, because who can really say what it's like on the
other side?

Sometimes ya just gotta speak your mind, but I'm having a hard time
imagining you getting into trouble, Jo Ann.

Enjoy the spring!
Rick

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jo Ann Coen" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: Culture of Life


> hey - Rick!  You should see some of the things I've written in the
past.
> In fact, I got in trouble with my owners for my remarks.  Anyway, no
> offense taken.  Each of us have to believe what is best for us.  It
just
> so happens I BELIEVE.
> Jo Ann
>
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:23:49 -0500 Rick McGirr
<[log in to unmask]>
> writes:
> > First, apologies to Delores Buente (Dee).  My response was in no
way
> > directed at your beliefs or you personally.  Yes, Jo Ann, once in
a
> > while I'll let one slip.  I do have strong feelings regarding the
> > way
> > organized religion is used by the powerful to support and justify
> > their plans, which often are anathema to the teachings of the
> > principle figures of the faith.   Jesus, as an example, left us
with
> > some excellent wisdom and words.  But I fail to see how the
> > teachings
> > of Jesus have anything to do with anything our illustrious leader
> > (US)
> > says or does.  I do try hard every day to love and tolerate those
> > who
> > do not agree with me.  Lots of people don't, but it's all I hope
> > for;
> > to be given a fair hearing.
> >
> > The subject line of this message alone is enough to get my dander
> > up,
> > if I allow myself to dwell on it.  If you feel offended, I
> > apologize.
> > I have no feelings of animosity toward you, even in light of all
> > that
> > we may or may not agree on.  If you look at my comment under the
> > heading of "institutional hypocrisy", it may explain the
unfriendly
> > tone.
> >
> > And all this, right after I had made an attempt at peacemaking.
> >
> > I proudly embrace my shortcomings.  They are my inspiration to
keep
> > learning.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Rick
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jo Ann Coen" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 6:17 PM
> > Subject: Re: Culture of Life
> >
> >
> > > Rick - That was pretty strong.  I'm surprised.  Jo Ann
> > >
> > > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:49:15 -0500 Rick McGirr
> > <[log in to unmask]>
> > > writes:
> > > > Yes, it means all that, and we'll all be sitting pretty in our
> > plaid
> > > > jumpers, and our white shirts and ties, lined up in our pews
in
> > > > alphabetical order, with our hands folded, waiting for the
lord,
> > who
> > > > must have some kind of direct lineage to the Bush family, to
> > summon
> > > > us
> > > > home.
> > > >
> > > > Rick
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Dolores Buente" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:30 PM
> > > > Subject: Culture of Life
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > The "Pro-Life/Culture of Life" philosophy that this
> > administration
> > > > is
> > > > > embracing proclaims that all life is sacred and needs to be
> > > > protected.  This is
> > > > > becoming very confusing to me.  Now that our government has
> > deemed
> > > > fit to intervene
> > > > > into Terri Schiavo's outcome, does that mean that Congress
> > will
> > > > now
> > > > mandate
> > > > > all end-of-life decisions for us?   Does that mean that the
> > death
> > > > penalty will
> > > > > be struck down?  Does that mean that the United States will
> > never
> > > > again go to
> > > > > war?  Does that mean that there will be no more In-vitro
> > > > fertilization
> > > > > clinics?  Does that mean that embryonic stem cell research
is
> > to
> > > > be
> > > > banned?
> > > > >
> > > > > Dee
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
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