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Carrie: You bring up an interesting point. I don't believe what Ned said - that faith is believing in something you know isn't true. Einstein is widely considered one of the most brilliant scientists of all time, and he doesn't ascribe to that belief either. Here are some of the things he wrote regarding faith and science: "Scientists were rated as great heretics by the church, but they were truly religious men because of their faith in the orderliness of the universe." " ...For science can only ascertain what is, but not what should be, and outside of its domain value judgments of all kinds remain necessary. Religion, on the other hand, deals only with evaluations of human thought and action: it cannot justifiably speak of facts and relationships between facts." " ...But science can only be created by those who are thoroughly imbued with the aspiration toward truth and understanding. This source of feeling, however, springs from the sphere of religion. To this there also belongs the faith in the possibility that the regulations valid for the world of existence are rational, that is, comprehensible to reason. I cannot conceive of a genuine scientist without that profound faith. The situation may be expressed by an image: science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." "...Well, I do not think that it is necessarily the case that science and religion are natural opposites. In fact, I think that there is a very close connection between the two. Further, I think that science without religion is lame and, conversely, that religion without science is blind. Both are important and should work hand-in-hand. It seems to mc that whoever doesn't wonder about the truth in religion and in science might as well be dead." You see - everything can work together. :) Wendy -----Original Message----- From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Carrie Barrott Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 5:15 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Medieval View of Sufffering In a message dated 4/7/2005 11:02:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes: Faith is believing something you know is not true. *** Actually, I think faith is believing in something for which you cannot prove (or disprove) existence. The words 'faith' and 'knowing' are close to synonymous for the truly faithful. I am pretty sure that Einstein 'knew' his theory of relativity was true. Thanks for making me think about this at 3 am! (I can't sleep!!!) Carrie ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn