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I think the study of gods and goddesses is very interesting, especially the Egyptian, Greek and Roman, but that doesn't mean I believe in them or any deities. Many of the ideas and practices of contemporary religions reflect their earlier varieties with some new twists, like God sacrificing to man instead of vice versa in Christianity. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick McGirr" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 6:24 AM Subject: Re: Medieval View of Sufffering > It is true that the sun will probably 'rise' tomorrow. I have faith > in this fact, even though I really don't know. I have rejected the > biblical god, but I still have even more faith than when I was a > believer. Now my faith is based on conclusions drawn from a > preponderance of actual evidence, and to me, that's a stronger basis > for faith than the average Santa Claus story. > > No, Virginia, there isn't any Santa Claus, but you can still have > presents on Christmas morning. > > Rick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ned Gardner" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:32 AM > Subject: Re: Medieval View of Sufffering > > >> Rayilynlee: >> Trying to justify suffering on religious grounds may work for those > who >> are not suffering, but trying to bring >> "religious logic" to the suffering is truly cruel. No religious >> control mumbo jumbo can justify an illogical situation when it is >> itself illogical. >> >> Faith is believing something you know is not true. >> >> >> I think Rayilynlee is to much the lady to tell you what she really >> thinks of this nonsence. >> >> >> Ned >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> > Re the medieval view of suffering >> > I do think suffering can change you for the better, but enough is > enough. >> > Everybody should have some and recover. >> > >> > My bouts with arterio-venous fistulas and ovarian cancer > "ennobled" >> > me, but >> > not PD. It has destroyed any faith I ever had in a loving God. I >> > just fail >> > to understand the purpose. and especially children with cystic > fibrosis. >> > What is the purpose of children having their lives destroyed or > cut >> > short? I >> > don't think any religion can provide a satisfactory answer to > that. >> > >> > The Pope,after all did have a "life" before PD, albeit a difficult > one >> > losing his mother, brother and father as a child and teenager. > Just >> > saw a >> > great and moving bio on him on PBS last night. >> > >> > I remember when I was in Poland in the early 1980's there were > crosses of >> > flowers everywhere, the Catholic Church really was the vehicle of > protest >> > against Communism. Also, there were photos of fetuses in the > churches. >> > >> > The tragic history of Poland helps you understand this pope. >> > Ray >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn