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Jo Ann, FYI my whole point is that the Bible does reflect a certain time in history, a tribal, prescientific age It is dated information that omits the Gnostic gospels.!!!! You remind me of my Mormon cousin who proclaimed, 'that's how people lived then" So you follow that as absolute truth that t he earth is 6,000 yrs old????? I don't think it's adequate for the modern world. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo Ann Coen" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 1:37 PM Subject: Re: Bible- caution -religious. > Ray - Regarding your comment about the "hairy, begatting guys", in the > Bible verses, is very interesting considering the fact that you are > such a history buff, and should know that was the style of the times. > First of all, we are not supposed to look at the outside of people, only > what is in their hearts. Secondly, God - even today - does become angry > when we don't follow his teachings. - Believe me, those individuals will > be punished, sometimes bringing that punishment upon themselves. The > reason it doesn't discuss stem cell research is because - in my opinion - > PD was not a known disease at that time. Perhaps someone "out there" > who sometimes think of themselves as a God, should rewrite the Bible. Jo > Ann > > On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 12:05:21 -0700 rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> writes: >> The Bible never did make any sense to me when I first read it at age >> 6, it >> still doesn't. It reflects a tribal, angry, smiting, jealous God >> that I >> just can't identify with. maybe that 'identification" is the key to >> belief. >> All those hairy, begatting guys just don't appeal to me as the last >> word. >> >> It doesn't discuss stem cell research because it was written by men >> who >> didn't know anything about it. >> Not taken literally, it has many inspiring passages, but the call >> now is for >> a literal interpretation, truly a return to the past. >> >> This is why it is relevant to Parkinson's. Too many people who >> follow it or >> supposedly do, have already stymied research for 4 years. I know >> now there >> will be no progress in my lifetime because those in power call the >> shots and >> they are definitely anti-science. >> Ray >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rick McGirr" <[log in to unmask]> >> To: <[log in to unmask]> >> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 7:21 AM >> Subject: Re: Goodbye and hello- caution -religious. >> >> >> > Mary Ann, >> > Thank you for your concern for my soul. I know in my heart that >> you >> > mean well. But there's too much in the bible that doesn't make >> sense. >> > The old testament is just brutally primitive. And while I believe >> > Jesus to be a great teacher, and live by the teachings of Jesus to >> an >> > extent, I just can't get into the barbarism of the crucifiction. >> > Holding up man's inhumanity to man as some kind of proof of god >> seems >> > simplistic and illogical, if not perverted. Further, the biblical >> > description of god is from another age, and raises more questions >> than >> > it answers. Some claim that god has answers for all my questions. >> I >> > would claim that I have questions for all your answers. >> > >> > I don't mean to be combative. You were kind enough to share your >> > thoughts. I have merely done the same. I feel like we have >> enough >> > common ground for our friendship to survive such discussions. Do >> you >> > agree? >> > >> > Enjoy spring! >> > Rick McGirr >> > Email: [log in to unmask] >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Mary Ann Ryan" <[log in to unmask]> >> > To: <[log in to unmask]> >> > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 10:22 AM >> > Subject: Re: Goodbye and hello- caution -religious. >> > >> > >> >> Caution - contains religious content. Please don't read if you >> are >> > not >> >> interested in the discussion. >> >> >> >> Rick wrote: >> >> And I thought 'What?!' That makes no sense. Why would the lord >> > want >> >> > to punish you, especially when you, as a believer, want nothing >> > but to >> >> > bring another soul into the world for the lord? >> >> >> >> Rick, the logo of the Christian Faith is an instrument of >> torture. >> > That >> >> doesn't mean that we seek torture, that God tortures us and we >> > should be >> >> happy about it, or that torture is a wonderful thing. It does >> mean >> > that God >> >> is in the midst of the torture - living it with us. >> >> >> >> Christ elevated suffering by his death on the cross. No longer >> is >> > suffering >> >> considered a curse. Life happens - everyone suffers, even the >> most >> >> innocent. Travail is part of existence whether you believe in God >> or >> > not. >> >> When we acknowledge that God knows our suffering and we surrender >> > that >> >> suffering to Him, than we remove our belief that we are in >> control >> > (we are >> >> not). We are essentially asking God to join our journey and to >> be >> > present >> >> to us in a real way. >> >> >> >> A sacrifice of praise (God, thank for my life, no matter how bad >> it >> > is) is >> >> the greatest prayer in any religion. >> >> ----------- >> >> God bless >> >> Mary Ann (CG Jamie 65/25) >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > -- >> >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> > mailto:[log in to unmask] >> >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> >> >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> > mailto:[log in to unmask] >> > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> > >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn