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David - Right on!! Jo Ann On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:49:21 -0700 David L Moreland <[log in to unmask]> writes: > I th.ink thatt Ned's definitiion is a bit shy of what the > biblical writer had in mind in Hebrew11:1 in the following: > "Now fauth is the asurance of things hoped for; the conviction > of > things not seen" after saying this the writer gives several > exanples from their history so that. they dont miss the point > he > os making...It might be good for us all to read the rest of the > 11th > chapter of Hebrews. > > > > rayilynlee wrote: > > > I like Ned's "Faith is believing something you know is not true" > > although > > I've never heard it described that way before. Somewhere in your > > heart you > > know it is very problematic. of rtings not se nnnow,l > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is it I can't believe what I can't believe - is it because it is > true > > and I just don't understand it or not true at all? I guess the > religious > > would say they have received the gift of grace to believe. or > perhaps > > we are > > bound by the limits of our intelligence. > > > > Light, the quintessence of the universe according to Einstein, is > both a > > wave and particle, depending upon your perception. This > scientific > > concept > > seem to be more in line with modern religions like Religious > Science or > > Deepak Chopra's blend of Eastern and Western religious thought. > than the > > Bible despite the fact that in the Bible God said, " let there be > light", > > not space or time, and Jesus said, "I am the light". Claude > Monet said > > "the subject of every real painting is light." > > > > Think some more about it. For example, the Mormon "Pearl of Great > Price" > > requires monumental mental gymnastics and contortions of logic, . > I > > think, > > to believe. > > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ned Gardner" <[log in to unmask]> > > To: <[log in to unmask]> > > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 4:10 AM > > Subject: Re: Evil View of Suffering > > > > > >> Faith is believing something you know is not true. > >> > >> > >> I don't really think that is the usual definition of Faith. > >> > >> > >> Kind of like PD is not the usual? > >> > >> > >> Faith has two components, one is self created: > >> A person believes in something, say the existence of God(or not) > >> This belief is essentially internally generated, based on one's > >> environment and world view, and desire to deal in reality. > >> > >> > >> What ever mental gymnastics one must go through to believe that > there > >> suffering is somehow preordained and justified is it self rather > >> bazaar. Please speak to the issue that some are distended to > suffer so > >> that your belief system can be fully justified. > >> > >> > >> > >> Faith is believing something you know is not true. > >> > >> Ned > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > >> mailto:[log in to unmask] > >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > >> > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > > mailto:[log in to unmask] > > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > > > > > 1 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn