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Ray - Actually, I believe the earth is well over 100,000 years old. I'm only going by the fossils and bones that are being found almost daily by archeaologists. Thank goodness for free thinking. At least we won't go to jail for our thoughts. Not yet anyway, who knows what will happen next month. Jo Ann On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:39:06 -0700 rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> writes: > Jo Ann, FYI > > my whole point is that the Bible does reflect a certain time in > history, a > tribal, prescientific age It is dated information that omits the > Gnostic > gospels.!!!! You remind me of my Mormon cousin who proclaimed, > 'that's how > people lived then" So you follow that as absolute truth that t he > earth is > 6,000 yrs old????? I don't think it's adequate for the modern world. > Ray > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jo Ann Coen" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 1:37 PM > Subject: Re: Bible- caution -religious. > > > > Ray - Regarding your comment about the "hairy, begatting guys", > in the > > Bible verses, is very interesting considering the fact that you > are > > such a history buff, and should know that was the style of the > times. > > First of all, we are not supposed to look at the outside of > people, only > > what is in their hearts. Secondly, God - even today - does become > angry > > when we don't follow his teachings. - Believe me, those > individuals will > > be punished, sometimes bringing that punishment upon themselves. > The > > reason it doesn't discuss stem cell research is because - in my > opinion - > > PD was not a known disease at that time. Perhaps someone "out > there" > > who sometimes think of themselves as a God, should rewrite the > Bible. Jo > > Ann > > > > On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 12:05:21 -0700 rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> > writes: > >> The Bible never did make any sense to me when I first read it at > age > >> 6, it > >> still doesn't. It reflects a tribal, angry, smiting, jealous > God > >> that I > >> just can't identify with. maybe that 'identification" is the key > to > >> belief. > >> All those hairy, begatting guys just don't appeal to me as the > last > >> word. > >> > >> It doesn't discuss stem cell research because it was written by > men > >> who > >> didn't know anything about it. > >> Not taken literally, it has many inspiring passages, but the call > >> now is for > >> a literal interpretation, truly a return to the past. > >> > >> This is why it is relevant to Parkinson's. Too many people who > >> follow it or > >> supposedly do, have already stymied research for 4 years. I know > >> now there > >> will be no progress in my lifetime because those in power call > the > >> shots and > >> they are definitely anti-science. > >> Ray > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Rick McGirr" <[log in to unmask]> > >> To: <[log in to unmask]> > >> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 7:21 AM > >> Subject: Re: Goodbye and hello- caution -religious. > >> > >> > >> > Mary Ann, > >> > Thank you for your concern for my soul. I know in my heart > that > >> you > >> > mean well. But there's too much in the bible that doesn't make > >> sense. > >> > The old testament is just brutally primitive. And while I > believe > >> > Jesus to be a great teacher, and live by the teachings of Jesus > to > >> an > >> > extent, I just can't get into the barbarism of the > crucifiction. > >> > Holding up man's inhumanity to man as some kind of proof of god > >> seems > >> > simplistic and illogical, if not perverted. Further, the > biblical > >> > description of god is from another age, and raises more > questions > >> than > >> > it answers. Some claim that god has answers for all my > questions. > >> I > >> > would claim that I have questions for all your answers. > >> > > >> > I don't mean to be combative. You were kind enough to share > your > >> > thoughts. I have merely done the same. I feel like we have > >> enough > >> > common ground for our friendship to survive such discussions. > Do > >> you > >> > agree? > >> > > >> > Enjoy spring! > >> > Rick McGirr > >> > Email: [log in to unmask] > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Mary Ann Ryan" <[log in to unmask]> > >> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > >> > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 10:22 AM > >> > Subject: Re: Goodbye and hello- caution -religious. > >> > > >> > > >> >> Caution - contains religious content. Please don't read if > you > >> are > >> > not > >> >> interested in the discussion. > >> >> > >> >> Rick wrote: > >> >> And I thought 'What?!' That makes no sense. Why would the > lord > >> > want > >> >> > to punish you, especially when you, as a believer, want > nothing > >> > but to > >> >> > bring another soul into the world for the lord? > >> >> > >> >> Rick, the logo of the Christian Faith is an instrument of > >> torture. > >> > That > >> >> doesn't mean that we seek torture, that God tortures us and we > >> > should be > >> >> happy about it, or that torture is a wonderful thing. It does > >> mean > >> > that God > >> >> is in the midst of the torture - living it with us. > >> >> > >> >> Christ elevated suffering by his death on the cross. No > longer > >> is > >> > suffering > >> >> considered a curse. Life happens - everyone suffers, even the > >> most > >> >> innocent. Travail is part of existence whether you believe in > God > >> or > >> > not. > >> >> When we acknowledge that God knows our suffering and we > surrender > >> > that > >> >> suffering to Him, than we remove our belief that we are in > >> control > >> > (we are > >> >> not). We are essentially asking God to join our journey and > to > >> be > >> > present > >> >> to us in a real way. > >> >> > >> >> A sacrifice of praise (God, thank for my life, no matter how > bad > >> it > >> > is) is > >> >> the greatest prayer in any religion. > >> >> ----------- > >> >> God bless > >> >> Mary Ann (CG Jamie 65/25) > >> >> > >> >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > -- > >> >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > >> > mailto:[log in to unmask] > >> >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > >> > mailto:[log in to unmask] > >> > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > >> > > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > >> mailto:[log in to unmask] > >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > >> > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > > mailto:[log in to unmask] > > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn