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It is true that the sun will probably 'rise' tomorrow. I have faith in this fact, even though I really don't know. I have rejected the biblical god, but I still have even more faith than when I was a believer. Now my faith is based on conclusions drawn from a preponderance of actual evidence, and to me, that's a stronger basis for faith than the average Santa Claus story. No, Virginia, there isn't any Santa Claus, but you can still have presents on Christmas morning. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ned Gardner" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:32 AM Subject: Re: Medieval View of Sufffering > Rayilynlee: > Trying to justify suffering on religious grounds may work for those who > are not suffering, but trying to bring > "religious logic" to the suffering is truly cruel. No religious > control mumbo jumbo can justify an illogical situation when it is > itself illogical. > > Faith is believing something you know is not true. > > > I think Rayilynlee is to much the lady to tell you what she really > thinks of this nonsence. > > > Ned > > > > > > > wrote: > > > Re the medieval view of suffering > > I do think suffering can change you for the better, but enough is enough. > > Everybody should have some and recover. > > > > My bouts with arterio-venous fistulas and ovarian cancer "ennobled" > > me, but > > not PD. It has destroyed any faith I ever had in a loving God. I > > just fail > > to understand the purpose. and especially children with cystic fibrosis. > > What is the purpose of children having their lives destroyed or cut > > short? I > > don't think any religion can provide a satisfactory answer to that. > > > > The Pope,after all did have a "life" before PD, albeit a difficult one > > losing his mother, brother and father as a child and teenager. Just > > saw a > > great and moving bio on him on PBS last night. > > > > I remember when I was in Poland in the early 1980's there were crosses of > > flowers everywhere, the Catholic Church really was the vehicle of protest > > against Communism. Also, there were photos of fetuses in the churches. > > > > The tragic history of Poland helps you understand this pope. > > Ray > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn